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Bible Study Does James 2 Teach Works for Salvation?
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How long have you been a non-sinner?
Jethro Bodine
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I made no assertion that the Bible says we can not cease from sinning.
Jethro Bodine
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10Jesus told him, “Whoever has already bathed needs only to wash his feet, and he will be completely clean. John 13:10
The growing, maturing Christian who stumbles along the way doesn't lose his salvation. They remain clean and only need to clean up their walk.
The person who returns to unbelief is the person who has dirtied his whole self again. That's another thing altogether.
Jethro Bodine
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Then no one is of God.
I think the fundamental problem with the sinless perfection theology is the lack of insight into the inner sins of the heart. It's basically the theology of the Pharisees. They were clean on the outside, and quite proud of it, but dirty on the inside and didn't know it. Theirs was the righteousness of law, not the righteousness of God.
Jethro Bodine
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No, the person who loves is showing he is ALREADY righteous in Christ/born again. That's how and why he is acting righteously—because he has the righteousness of God already in him to produce the obedience of the righteous that he couldn't produce when didn't have the righteousness of God in him.
14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers.
1 John 3:14
The 'passing from death to life' comes first. Then the obedience commensurate with that life that is now in that person. We get born again and made righteous to then do works of righteousness. We do not do works of righteousness to become righteous. That is the theology of the Pharisees.
Faith is not an end but a beginning bringing us to union with Christ in baptismal regeneration!
Thanks
Jethro Bodine
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Baptism has zero power to make you a righteous person.
Why then did you say this..."I believe all of them. But not apart from the whole counsel of the Bible."
It sure seemed like there was something you were at odds with.
You really don't think anyone obeys God all the time?
That is a shame, as they are out here and following the path of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus came to free us from the yoke of the Law, among other things, and men still can't seem to get it right.
Love God with all your might, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
What is so difficult about that?
It really is simple!
James is showing the works is a PART OF faith.
James is showing the works is a PART OF faith.
It does have the power to keep you from walking in sin.
Thanks be to God !
Jethro Bodine
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How does water do that?
Jethro Bodine
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It can be very costly to love as God loves. And it takes time to grow up into the maturity of loving others as God loves.
How are we actually made just, holy, pure, and regeneration by the transforming power of Gods grace???
Not just declared?’b
Parents freely give life to their children an unmerited grace or gift but that does not mean they don’t deserve and expect love, reverence, and obedience.
Jethro Bodine
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What's that got to do with being made righteous through the hearing of faith vs. being made righteous by doing righteous works and rituals?
Jethro Bodine
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By graciously giving you the Holy Spirit when you believe in His forgiveness.
The legal aspect of receiving the righteousness of God through faith is God removes your debt of unrighteusness.
The practical aspect of receiving the righteousness of God through faith is He gives you His Holy Spirit to then live righteously.
Both happen when you believe in God's offer of forgiveness through Christ. Ephesians 1:13
Only salvation?
“Faith alone” Questions
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?
If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!
Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
Grace requires works to be fruitful but it does not say it’s not by grace
No you said we are only declared righteous? Not really righteous ???
Jethro Bodine
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'Grace'?
I think you mean 'faith' requires works to be fruitful. Which is entirely true.
But faith does not need works to justify. Having faith does that all by itself. Justification is a reward of faith APART from works (Romans 4:6). If you have to work to receive justification you are serving the works gospel that Paul says can not save you. You are lost. You are anathema.