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I am a jew, my brother, a great uncle, and a few others that I know, all are jews and none of the testimonies that I have heard, have said it had to do with the third temple, but the cross and the sin that they had. my aunt a devout jewess know attends a Baptist church. God used my brothers wedding to get here to listen to the Lord.how many jews are saved , have been saved, and will be? countless and that fulfills what paul spoke of in romans 10.none, why? the temple cant be holy again. for inorder for the idea of the abononation of desolation to occur again that would have to change the work of the cross. also the signs that the first jewish/ gentile audience had to look for would be something that they knew to look for otherwise its gibberish to them. why would god judge isreal for killing jesus twice?
Thank you, for responding Jason. Some people agree that it did happen in 70 AD but will repeat in the future. Double prophecy.
why would god judge isreal for killing jesus twice? or any of the prophets for that matter. got it
the temple cant be holy again. for inorder for the idea of the abononation of desolation to occur again that would have to change the work of the cross.
No it can't be holy but would the unbelieving Jews see it that way. Go ahead and build the temple (they are saying there is room to do that if they don't build the outer court) and have it destroyed again. I know I must be missing something spiritual here in the understanding of the temple or something? Can you help. Because if they don't believe in Messiah they will think it is holy before God?
If they do this will God let it go I wonder?
if one where to look to the history of ad 70 you will find the oblations did cease. a covenant to isreal was made and the prince died for that.
if one where to look to the history of ad 70 you will find the oblations did cease. a covenant to isreal was made and the prince died for that.
Because this (first century) is the time context, scope and parameters of most (not all) of Isaiahs prophecies. See is 29 for another; especially verse 1-4 which describes the seige of JerusRemember, you are the one that said The destruction of the temple was Jesus coming, "in Judgement" as described in Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
JLB
Another point is that the word 'earth' to a first century jewish context and hearer was the 'earth' or land domain of Judea. That was the 'earth' to which they hoped to remain in.
Read Isaiah 24 and 25 noting the times the 'earth' is mentioned in reference to judgment to come on the people and ways of that covenant and at the time [lifespan] of the coming of Messiah.
Excerpt from Isaiah 24.
See, the Lord is going to lay waste the earth
and devastate it;
The earth will be completely laid waste
and totally plundered.
The Lord has spoken this word.
4 The earth dries up and withers,
the world languishes and withers,
the heavens languish with the earth.
5 The earth is defiled by its people;
they have disobeyed the laws,
violated the statutes
and broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
and very few are left.
Where in Isaiah 24 does it say that the earth is the land of Judea?
This is a Prophecy of the Day of the Lord and His vengeance upon the evil doers of the earth.
21 It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. 22 They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit,And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. 23 Then the moon will be disgraced And the sun ashamed; For the Lord of hosts will reign On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem And before His elders, gloriously.
For the Lord of hosts will reign On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem And before His elders, gloriously.
More twisting of God's word to try and a Preterism Point.
JLB
Personally i dont believe ones thoughts about eschatology are unto salvation
1. Jesus' second coming already took place in 70ad and full preterism is correct. This is obviously false, since we have no glorified body and Jesus (the man) is not on earth.
2. When Jesus spoke of his "coming in the clouds" he was not making reference to his second coming. This is obviously the truth. I have already thoroughly shown by scripture that the "coming in the clouds" was a combination of OT scripture references such as Dan.7:13 Isa.19:1 Ezek.3:30 Joel 2:1-2 which Jesus used to warn his disciples of the coming judgment and to explain that Jerusalem's destruction meant his vindication as rightful King of Israel.
Again, Jesus' "coming in the clouds" was not a literal event, but a revelation (a revealing) of his judgment and vindication which he accomplished at the hands of the Romans.
Deb, My childhood Sunday School was over 50 years ago..... I would not change the AofG Sunday School teaching i had or taught for anything... I see much new age int he AofG teaching of today ... It is so very sad..
Jesus clarified what He meant by His reference to Daniel.
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
The simple truth for all to see. The Abomination of Desolation, as spoken of by Daniel, occurs well after the destruction of the city and sanctuary.
Daniel 9:26-27 -
26 After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
- ... destroy the city and the sanctuary. - This event occurs in 70 AD.
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
... the abomination of desolation - This event occurs 3 1/2 years after the 70 th weeks starts.
The Abomination of Desolation event clearly occurs after the events of 70 AD.
Jesus listed the Abomination of Desolation as one of His signs BEFORE, and leading up to the Coming of the Son of Man and the end of the age.
Another one of many clear scriptures that refutes Preterism!
JLB
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I did not sense any hostility from you.
Be direct as you want.
You have said absolutely nothing to address the clear scriptures I gave.
Did I say the word Gap?
Please review the scriptures and comment on the facts that the scriptures present.
The Abomination of Desolation comes after the destruction of the temple as spoken of by Daniel.
26 After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Do you agree that this happened in 70 AD?
The events of verse 27 take place during the 70 th week. Yes or No?
The 70th week comes after the 69th week? Yes or No?
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
The great tribulation is the direct result of the The Abomination of Desolation. Yes or No?
The scriptures establish irrefutable facts.
These scriptures will not go away.
JLB
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
Orth. Hebrew Bible
27 And he shall confirm brit (covenant) with rabbim for one heptad; and in the midst of the heptad he shall cause the zevach and the minchah to cease
KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant
The ASV sounds different to me. KJV matches the OHB in this case.