Gabbylittleangel said:
In the case of the fall ~ judgment. God cursed the ground. Keep in mind, He has a plan. To claim back what man gave away. A deeper study of the word will reveal how the Lord Jesus Christ took the curse when He hung on the cross. Right down to that crown of thorns.
Of course He has a plan. But what exactly do you think the ground is??? Is it the earth we walk on
... I agree, the no rain is a symptom of the different state
I don't really understand this part of your question.
Now, why not extend that to the flood, and a bit past, to allow for a real flood???
What I meant there was, if the laws of physics were different in creation week, why not have them different at the flood, as well? That explains why the flood seems so impossible to present science.
I looked into it, there is no reason!
As far as a reason? Judgment again. Again, His plan is to save whosoever will.
I meant no reason by science, or the bible to think the laws were the same in the flood year, any more than creation week. Not sure about who you think was getting some judgment, or when, or why. -Unless you mean the fall?
Gen 6:5 ¶ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Right, I think most know why man had to be wiped out there. The issue I raised was not IF the flood happened, or why, but under what laws of physics, or different laws.
... Ah, but think about it. The water coming down from above would also cook all life, by the laws of physics, just by falling, that much water! Now, why would we assume that it still never rained after the flood?? Think about it. See if you, or anyone else can come up with an answer for that.
Who is assuming that it never rained after the flood? Also, not all of the flood came in the form of rain.
I don't know whether it did, or not, do you?? Of course it rained in the flood , but afterwards, who knows??
Maybe the rain as a regular thing started when the present laws of the universe began. If that was after the flood, then, we could still have the old water coming up to water the earth from below. No??
As far as your statement that it would "cook all life"....it pretty much did. Notice that God had a plan to save Noah and his family, and the animals. Again, I am not sure what you mean by a "real flood".
The earth was not cooked, it was drowned. Big difference. The kind of heat we are talking about would have cooked Noah as well. If water to cover a planet came down from the sky, there would, I am told, be far too much heat produced. (under current laws)
I think that the lesson to be learned here is that God created the laws of physics, however, just like time and space, He is not bound by them.
As for me, when the laws of physics (or anything else) seem to contradict Scripture ~ I choose to believe God.
No, I see no evidence of any laws of physics as part of creation at all. On the contrary, they could not have been part of it, as the OP brings out. The laws of physics only contradict the bible, if they were in place at the time. They couldn't have been. I also see no evidence that there will be present laws of physics in the new universe, or, 'new heavens' coming. The present state of the universe, and it's laws will pass away, they are not eternal. The bible makes it clear that this earth we know, as is, will pass away, as well as the heavens we know.
I see the current laws and state as likely having been only here since after the flood.