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Hallucinogens: A Gateway To The Demonic

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Well, imagine taking a trip with DMT and experience something amazing. A state of existence that is so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. How do you return to the real world and be satisfied with material things?

Well, many have reported being taken up in Spirit into Heaven, and without the aid of drugs. God simply chose to take them there, or they were escorted by angels of God.

They always say how much they long to be there again, and usually say things like they didn't even want to leave, but that God required them to go back and tell the world. So I suppose the same would apply. You come back, and you operate in the physical world again, but with a longing for what you saw in the vision you had, hoping that's where you get to return to after death. The thing is, do their experiences lead them to the truth, or simply to religious deceptions?
 
The thing is, do their experiences lead them to the truth, or simply to religious deceptions?
I'm inclined to say the latter. The human brain is incredibly receptive to manipulation. It's why I feel great when I'm drunk. My brain is being flooded with alcohol and it's changing the chemistry.

I know a person that was hit in the head with a 2x4 while on a motorcycle. She wasn't wearing a helmet at the time. Much of brain was irreparably damaged and her entire personality changed as a result. It was shocking.
 
I'm inclined to say the latter. The human brain is incredibly receptive to manipulation. It's why I feel great when I'm drunk. My brain is being flooded with alcohol and it's changing the chemistry.

Ooooh... see here is where we would disagree. Intoxication works under same principles as what we are discussing in this thread. Once a person's inhibitions have been loosed, they are already half way there to inviting in and then letting manifest through them stuff they don't want to.

Now some would say where is the proof of demons manifesting through drunkeness, and for that I suppose I'd have to go into some works I own on deliverance. But I know alcoholism has been tied to certain spirits and is not just a physiological addiction, so my inclination is to say that the exact opposite could eventually be happening. In the initial stages, yes. It is likely just the human soul being liberated from inhibitions. But in advanced stages? My guess is one is opening themselves up to much more than that.
 
Ooooh... see here is where we would disagree. Intoxication works under same principles as what we are discussing in this thread. Once a person's inhibitions have been loosed, they are already half way there to inviting in and then letting manifest through them stuff they don't want to.

Now some would say where is the proof of demons manifesting through drunkeness, and for that I suppose I'd have to go into some works I own on deliverance. But I know alcoholism has been tied to certain spirits and is not just a physiological addiction, so my inclination is to say that the exact opposite could eventually be happening. In the initial stages, yes. It is likely just the human soul being liberated from inhibitions. But in advanced stages? My guess is one is opening themselves up to much more than that.
Actually, I think that this is possible. I don't see why it wouldn't be if these beings do in fact exist on our plane of reality. Advanced stages being alcoholism, yes? The stage where people cannot stop voluntarily.
 
Ooooh... see here is where we would disagree. Intoxication works under same principles as what we are discussing in this thread. Once a person's inhibitions have been loosed, they are already half way there to inviting in and then letting manifest through them stuff they don't want to.
What do you think prevents a demon or spirit from influencing a person when they're sober? Is there a barrier that's sort of "taken offline" when they're drunk or high?
 
What do you think prevents a demon or spirit from influencing a person when they're sober? Is there a barrier that's sort of "taken offline" when they're drunk or high?

First their inhibitions start disappearing, then they just sort of let go almost altogether and are so out of touch with reality that it becomes a safe zone for demons to start doing all kinds of stuff to them, because whereas their right mind would immediately question things, their inebriated or disassociated mind just thinks it's part of the trip. It works better with hallucinogens, because a person can check out all the way into a different world altogether. The drunk still tries to walk a straight line because he's still conscious of it. Someone who is severely tripping may have the lines lift up off the concrete and fly away like a butterfly, and then meditate on the mysteries of the universe and how we are missing all the beauty around us and all that business, and then walk out into the street and get hit.

At the highest levels of disassociation is when the door can open widest, and then the butterflies can start turning into buzzards and vultures, and things get really ugly, and nobody but the victim and the perpetrators are gonna know what the hell is going on.
 
First their inhibitions start disappearing, then they just sort of let go almost altogether and are so out of touch with reality that it becomes a safe zone for demons to start doing all kinds of stuff to them, because whereas their right mind would immediately question things, their inebriated or disassociated mind just thinks it's part of the trip. It works better with hallucinogens, because a person can check out all the way into a different world altogether. The drunk still tries to walk a straight line because he's still conscious of it. Someone who is severely tripping may have the lines lift up off the concrete and fly away like a butterfly, and then meditate on the mysteries of the universe and how we are missing all the beauty around us and all that business, and then walk out into the street and get hit.

At the highest levels of disassociation is when the door can open widest, and then the butterflies can start turning into buzzards and vultures, and things get really ugly, and nobody but the victim and the perpetrators are gonna know what the hell is going on.
It brings up a scenario that I've always been fascinated with. The soul that goes to hell temporarily and is tortured before coming back to the body. We've heard of these accounts, but there's one thing I don't understand. How are these people still sane? Wouldn't the kind of torture you would endure in hell completely destroy your mind?

And in the reverse, if your soul goes to heaven temporarily, how could you ever again be satisfied with any aspect of this world? Wouldn't you be wanting to die every single day so that you can finally go home?
 
It brings up a scenario that I've always been fascinated with. The soul that goes to hell temporarily and is tortured before coming back to the body. We've heard of these accounts, but there's one thing I don't understand. How are these people still sane? Wouldn't the kind of torture you would endure in hell completely destroy your mind?

Almost, and I believe it takes a form of healing from the Lord for them to keep it together. Bill Wiese talked about this in his account. He said the amount of suffering makes your head almost check out.

I recall reading some accounts were they said it was several weeks before they stopped waking up in the middle of the night screaming.
And in the reverse, if your soul goes to heaven temporarily, how could you ever again be satisfied with any aspect of this world? Wouldn't you be wanting to die every single day so that you can finally go home?

I think that's a bit easier to handle. You just have it ever before you that there is a better life waiting for you than here.

Honestly, that's easier for people to believe cuz the world can really be a terrible life for some already. It's the idea that Hell could be that much worse that most find an incredibly uncomfortable thought. But both are true.
 
As this thread will establish, there appears to now be a growing move within Christianity to experience the "supernatural" through things like mushrooms and hallucinogenic drugs, but this is an exceedingly dangerous teaching that must be exposed. It is a satanic counterfeit, and carries great risks spiritually. In Christianity, things like heavenly visions are still being experienced today, but usually only by those who have consecrated themselves unto God through fasting and prayer for extended periods of time. In these new occultic teachings, however, all one needs to do is take hallucinogenics to potentially end up "seeing God," or "traveling in the spirit realm," or "channeling an angel," or any number of other "visionary" experiences. Unfortunately these invite demonic spirits to enter the unsuspecting participant, and are in fact the exact opposite of their Old and New Testament counterpart experiences where drug use is nowhere mentioned. As I will also demonstrate in a later post, drug use IS however, a long held element of engaging in spiritism.

I came to a renewed understanding of this new movement through a prophetic dream sent to me by a friend a few days ago. He was a follower of the late Dr. Michael Heiser, who was an Old Testament scholar and Christian author whose work focused primarily on the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible.

For those unfamiliar with Dr. Heiser, the following is one of his videos, and he presents a number of heretical teachings here. The saddest part here is that he clearly teaches in 11:40 - 12:33 the need to stay away from contact with the demonic realm. Unfortunately, as the dream that I will share implies, as well as other teachings I will provide, he nevertheless favored the use of drugs in experiencing heavenly visions.


The following is the dream I received, and the initial sentences prove that the dream was apparently related to changes that are coming in Christianity during "the end-times," or in other words, what is described is a trend within Christianity that will continue to grow, with the result being a rise in spiritual deception and spiritual bondage for many.

I started walking down a road in a town while end of the world signs were happening again... I looked around the sky, as I turned around to go back home, and more "signs" were lighting up the sky. So I make it home and talked to people about it.. I ended up at a murder mystery party that is being hosted by Dr. Michael Heiser (he's a theologian that recently died of pancreatic cancer, and had a fairly far-reaching podcast and wrote multiple books in real life.) So there are a group of people there, just having a fun time. We finally solve the murder mystery and someone lights a joint and started passing it around the room. Dr. Heiser smoked some and passed it to me. At first I said no, because in real life I don't smoke marijuana, but then I was kind of starstruck and end up taking a puff from Dr. Heiser. It all ends pretty normal. The class was over. He said we didn't have to come in tomorrow. (I guess it was a classroom), and he walked away in high heels, and everyone joked about it. Laughs, having a good time.

Pancreatic cancer is an exceedingly painful way to die, and the fact that he succumbed to it a few months ago at the age of only 60 means there was likely something very wrong spiritually. My suspicions are that he let demons in through the things he was practicing and teaching, and it led to his death. This is the answer to the "murder mystery party" my friend witnessed in the dream. It appears Heiser got seduced into taking hallucinogens as a means of potentially experiencing the supernatural, and allowed these demons in as a Biblical teacher, which may also have been seducing him in the direction of homosexuality and/ or effeminism towards the end of his life.

I realize the above are strong allegations, but I came across reason to believe they could be true. The following taped interview was of Heiser hosting a small group of scholars in a discussion on the use of hallucinogenics in seeing into the spiritual realm. Notice that the caption reads: "Are God and other supernal beings experienced by people under the effect of entheogens just a product of the brain, or are they entities to be experienced by unhindered consciousness?" This either/ or equation tells the listener he favored "experiencing supernal beings" through unhindered consciousness, ie. through the use of drugs. He makes several statements to this effect in the interview as well, as do some of his guests. Starting around 22:00 through 27:10, one complains about how the church has an "automatically negative reaction" whenever someone proposes the use of drugs in potentially experiencing the supernatural.

https://peeranormal.com/podcast/pee...ligious-mysticism-and-paranormal-experiences/

On how I connect the above with the infestation of demonic spirits, I will add material on that in successive posts.

God bless,
Hidden In Him
I would place no merit, zero, to dreams. JMO. God has certainly spoken in time past by dreams but, as Hebrews states, in these last days, God speaks through His Son, Jesus.
 
I would place no merit, zero, to dreams. JMO. God has certainly spoken in time past by dreams but, as Hebrews states, in these last days, God speaks through His Son, Jesus.
I had a dream and did not really think anything about other than one part of the dream was in super detail . About 6 months later I lived out the dream , that will get your attention .
 
For me the very desire to have a drug take you by the hand is to declare to Christ that the Blessed Spirit which He has awakened in your heart & soul falls short in it's sufficiency to satisfy.
Which for me calls into question the very fact of whether or not you are fully surrendered to Christ.

This desire to drug is transient and motivated by self and the flesh & not by God.
How telling it is to the demonic nature of it that the use of drugs is sold as a way to expand knowledge, the mind, and consciousness.
More proof that there is truly nothing new under the sun.

Gen 3:6

And when the woman saw that the tree......was a tree to be desired to make one wise
 
I know a person that was hit in the head with a 2x4 while on a motorcycle. She wasn't wearing a helmet at the time. Much of brain was irreparably damaged and her entire personality changed as a result. It was shocking.
Reminds me of a movie . "Regarding Henry" , good movie .

 
I would place no merit, zero, to dreams. JMO. God has certainly spoken in time past by dreams but, as Hebrews states, in these last days, God speaks through His Son, Jesus.

I stopped getting alerts to this thread, Deafman, but this is flatly incorrect according to scripture. The word of God does not say dreams will have passed away in the end-times. Rather it says the exact opposite:

28 And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. (Joel 2:28-31)


While I understand some not believing in their dreams having any meaning, the claim that God only spoke through dreams in the past is patently false according to scripture.

God bless,
- H
 

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