Hell! What did God say?

[JudaicChristian]

This thread is about the word "Hell" being in scripture. If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Genesis 2:17
...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


Genesis 3:3
...but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "


Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.


Now who is telling the truth, God or the Serpent? According to scripture the Serpent is telling the truth. And that is why you see the word "Hell" in scripture. It's a place for God to torture LIVING BEINGS for all eternity.

That is why our bibles also say God does "EVIL." Did you know that King James was the Grand Master of the Masons, and that the King James Bible is also known as the Masonic Bible? And that is the tip of the iceberg.

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die.

The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit.

Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not? If the word Hell is biblical, then the Serpent told the truth and God lied.

Romans 1:32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Your word editor is junk.

 

[John 8:32]

This thread is about the word "Hell" being in scripture. If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Genesis 2:17
...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


Genesis 3:3
...but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "


Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.


Now who is telling the truth, God or the Serpent? According to scripture the Serpent is telling the truth. And that is why you see the word "Hell" in scripture. It's a place for God to torture LIVING BEINGS for all eternity.

That is why our bibles also say God does "EVIL." Did you know that King James was the Grand Master of the Masons, and that the King James Bible is also known as the Masonic Bible? And that is the tip of the iceberg.

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die.

The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit.

Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not? If the word Hell is biblical, then the Serpent told the truth and God lied.

Romans 1:32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Scripture plainly says that the wages of sin is death. Hell in most cases is translated from sheol or hades. Both mean grave.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

This thread is about the word "Hell" being in scripture. If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Genesis 2:17
...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


Genesis 3:3
...but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "


Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.


Now who is telling the truth, God or the Serpent? According to scripture the Serpent is telling the truth. And that is why you see the word "Hell" in scripture. It's a place for God to torture LIVING BEINGS for all eternity.

That is why our bibles also say God does "EVIL." Did you know that King James was the Grand Master of the Masons, and that the King James Bible is also known as the Masonic Bible? And that is the tip of the iceberg.

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die.

The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit.

Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not? If the word Hell is biblical, then the Serpent told the truth and God lied.

Romans 1:32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Hell is not biblical. Its an ancient Norse word. What is biblical is Gehenna (the word hell replaces) it is the lake of fire, the wicked are destroyed here, as is death (hades).

The wicked cannot live without God. The outer darkness shows what awaits those who deny God. He is light, and thus they are cast into darkness. They die! Poof! Life gone..forever, an eternal punishment..all that remains is condemnation and shame..the sort of thing that Hitler receives now.

 

[Stan53]

Hell is VERY Biblical

Hell is not biblical. Its an ancient Norse word. What is biblical is Gehenna (the word hell replaces) it is the lake of fire, the wicked are destroyed here, as is death (hades).

The wicked cannot live without God. The outer darkness shows what awaits those who deny God. He is light, and thus they are cast into darkness. They die! Poof! Life gone..forever, an eternal punishment..all that remains is condemnation and shame..the sort of thing that Hitler receives now.

The NT uses the word hell for the Greek word geenna, pronounced geh-eh-nah.
It is used by Jesus to refer to the Lake of Fire in Rev 20:14
It says here that this is called the 'second death'. The two uses of the word 'death' here are based on the Greek word thanatos, pronounced thä'-nä-tos, which connotes the death of the body. As the first death was also the death of the body, but preservation of the spirit, the second death can ONLY have the same connotation as the first death and NOT something more as in adding the soul to that meaning. In scripture, in literal context, death ALWAYS refers to the physical and NOT the meta-physical. It cannot be called 'punishment', if nothing is there to experience the punishment. The real separation from God, both meta-physically and spiritually, will be a very real punishment. Knowing you could be with God for eternity is definitely a punishment. That would be like a death row inmate getting killed in prison by other inmates, then keeping him there for his day of execution so he will actually receive his punishment. You can't kill a dead man, and you can't punish nothing!

 

[Charles Spurgeon]

Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. -KJV

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. -KJV

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. -KJV

Mar 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,
Mar 9:48 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' - ESV

Looks like people will be tormented forever to me....

 

[Elijah674]

Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. -KJV

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. -KJV

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. -KJV

Mar 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,
Mar 9:48 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.' - ESV

Looks like people will be tormented forever to me....

Peter surely was up to know real truth huh? Yet, he had a 3 time vision that is very clear to understand by most of the today ones. At least they would NEVER say as did Peter, NOT SO LORD! You might do well to go to Acts 10 and read over verses 13-19 and try to find why Peter knew that it was his [understanding] of the [THREE TIME] vision that he did not understand, not the vision itself! But why so??? How come??? And then think of maggots having immortality in an eternal hell, and what is the meaning of those words?

Yet, that is exactly as you believe & would have others believe by the post??

And you actually think that these verses mean as you post them up? 'It is better to enter into life maimed +++? And that there will be such ones there???

Mark 9

[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And these immortal worms in a etternal hell, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. You best do some study on who only have IMMORTALITY + what the ETERNAL HELL Means?

And why not believe 1 Cor. 14:32 that '.. the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.' Meaning that they do not contradict themselves. So find out what all the verses say on just death & hell and put them together like a puzzel to get the 'picture' to the puzzel? And by the way, this is how the Bible tell's us to study! Isa. 28:9-10 + Matt. 4:4 & 2 Tim. 3:16.

--Elijah

 

[lw9]

JudaicChristian: This thread is about the word "Hell" being in scripture. If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Sorry - I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean that unsaved souls [in Gehenna] will cease to exist? If so -

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’ 46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

If punishment is not really eternal, then life in Christ is not really eternal, either. The same word ‘eternal’ is used in the same sentence and is applied to both life and punishment in Matt 25:46. The meaning of ‘eternal’ in regards to life doesn't magically change to mean temporary in regards to punishment.

 

[Hawkins]

This thread is about the word "Hell" being in scripture. If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Your understanding shall be the reverse. What the devil means to say is that there is still room to exploit and "you shall not surely die". What he actually advocates is that "you can risk you live". While God clearly said that "You shall surely die", which means there's no room there for negotiation. There's no room there for you to choose to risk, you risk you die!".

UR however ask you to risk your live on a doctrine. It provides an alternative relief such that you can risk your life by rejecting Jesus Christ. It conveys the message that if you are willing to accept an annihiliation you can reject Jesus Christ.

So the analogue message is rather, "The day you reject Jesus Christ, the same day you shall die your second death which is a permanent separation from God". The devil however said, "You shall not surely die, you can reject Christ by accepting an annihiliation". The second death is a spiritual death, not a physical death.

The Bible never said that the angels can die 'physically'. After leaving God, they are alive in hell, and that's forever. If God can burn the devils who are originally angels, He can also burn the devils who are originally humans. If it is said after leaving God the angels will become the devils, then how about the humans? Will they stay as humans forever? In a permanent separation without God's guidance, there will be no love no love no evreything in them for them to remain humans. They will lose all their humanity and thus will be the devils.

The eternal fire is prepared for the immortal devils, they can be the previously angels or previously humans.

Matthew 25:
41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

 

[John 8:32]

Sorry - I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean that unsaved souls [in Gehenna] will cease to exist? If so -

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’ 46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.â€

If punishment is not really eternal, then life in Christ is not really eternal, either. The same word ‘eternal’ is used in the same sentence and is applied to both life and punishment in Matt 25:46. The meaning of ‘eternal’ in regards to life doesn't magically change to mean temporary in regards to punishment.

I would tend to think that death, cessation of life and being, forever, would constitute eternal punishment. Now if the scripture had said eternal punishing, it would be a different story.

 

[westtexas]

I would tend to think that death, cessation of life and being, forever, would constitute eternal punishment.

I don't believe your point of view is eternal punishment. The instant you cease to be-your punishment also ceases-making punishment temporal and not eternal.

Westtexas