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If God Exists, Why Is There Evil? By Norman Geisler

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Tragedies such as the Aurora Colorado theater shooting or the Virginia Tech massacre refocus the issue of evil in a vivid way. If there is a loving God, then why does He permit heinous crimes like this? Why doesn’t He intervene? The Christian cannot accept the claims of some that God “is not perfect and there are some things God does not control.”

My wife, Barb, and I suffered the tragic loss of our daughter Rhoda a few years ago. We know that such pain never really goes away. Yet, one thing is certain: The existence of evil does not eliminate God. Rather, it cries out for Him. In his book “Mere Christianity,” former atheist C.S. Lewis noted, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.”

This is where the argument of evil as evidence against God’s existence boomerangs into an argument for His existence. If there is an ultimate moral standard or law of justice, then there must be an ultimate moral Law Giver. Without His moral law we would not even know what evil really is. And without His spiritual comfort we would not be able to endure evil—at least not with any realistic hope and comfort. As the Apostle Paul said, we sorrow but not as those who have no hope (1 Thessalonians 4:13). And without His great power and love we would have no hope of ever getting a better world. Only a God who can bring good out of evil can solve this world’s problems.

Amid evil like the killings at Virginia Tech, we can cry out to God for comfort. Had it not been for all the Scripture I had committed to memory, such as Psalm 23; Isaiah 26:3, 40:31; John 14:1-6; Philippians 4:4-6; 2 Corinthians 4:17 and others, I don’t know what I would have done when our daughter died. I’ll never forget the trip from Asheville, N.C., to Charlotte after hearing of her untimely death. It was the longest two-hour trip I have ever taken. It felt like I was in a submarine, peering out through an ocean of tears. Nonetheless, I was able to cry out to God like Job: “The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21, KJV).

Heaven Will Not Be Like This
We can be sure that the world to come is not going to be like this one. This one is full of disaster, destruction and death. The next one will have none of these. John said it best: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. … And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:1, 4, KJV).

Paradise Lost
We know that God is not the author of evil. After the final day of creation, God declared, “It is very good” (Cf. Genesis 1:31). Adam and Eve were put into a sinless paradise, but they rebelled against God in a deliberate and unprovoked act of disobedience and were expelled from Paradise. They died spiritually at the moment of their disobedience (Ephesians 2:1), and eventually they died physically. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin, and thus sin spread to all men, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12, NKJV). Solomon said, “Truly, this only have I found: That God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Ecclesiastes 7:29, NKJV).

But if God made the world perfect, and the Paradise lost will become the Paradise regained, how did this one get so messed up? Why didn’t God make the first world and its people more perfect and skip this messed-up version in between?

The Purpose of Evil
The answer is two-fold. For one thing, God could have made a world with no evil in it. However, it would have been one of robots and puppets—creatures who could not love Him or anyone else. Love is possible only for free moral creatures; forced love is a contradiction. So, in order for the world to be morally good, it must be morally free. And free creatures are capable of free choices that bring disease, disaster and death. This is the world in which we live.

In “The Problem of Pain,” C.S. Lewis explains a second point about suffering. “God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” The painful truth is that God is more interested in our holiness than in our happiness. He is more interested in our character than in our comfort.

More than a half-century of Christian experience has led me to the conviction that few enduring lessons in life come through pleasure. All of mine have come through pain. Yet, I have joyfully learned that the poet was right when he said, “God is good when He gives supremely good, nor less when He denies. Even crosses from His gracious hands are blessings in disguise.” For the lessons of life reveal that “tribulation worketh patience” (Romans 5:4, KJV), and “Our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory” (2 Corinthians 4:17, KJV).

God Will Make Everything Right
Further, God is going to fix it up, but He hasn’t done it yet.

Here is the age-old dilemma: If God is all-good, as the Bible says, then He would want to get rid of evil. If He is all-powerful, then He could do it. But even a casual look at the evening news, to say nothing of the Virginia Tech tragedy, informs us that He has not defeated evil. Hence, the argument goes, there cannot be an all-good and all-powerful God.

While this logic sounds tight and painful, it is not faultless. Because God has not yet defeated all evil does not mean that He never will defeat it. Indeed, both good logic and the Bible declare that He will yet do away with evil. How so?

First, if God is all-powerful then He can do it, and if He is all-loving, then He wants to do it. And whatever He can and wants to do, He will do (Psalm 135:6). His very nature as an omnipotent and omni-benevolent being demands that evil will be vanquished.

Second, God already has done something about evil. He sent His only Son into the world to die for the world and to defeat evil. Evil was defeated officially at Christ’s first coming through His death and resurrection (Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 2:14, Ephesians 4:7-12). His victory over sin and the grave ensured Satan’s eventual defeat. The same Bible that accurately predicted Christ’s first coming through nearly 100 fulfilled prophecies promises that Christ will come again and will completely defeat evil.
Meanwhile, What Do We Do?

Jesus answered this in one word—repent. In Luke 13, Jesus hears the story of the Galileans “whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.” He asks if this happened to them because they were worse sinners than those who had not suffered such a tragic death. His answer was instructive: “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3, NKJV). In short, in a free and fallen world, tragedies happen to people who are no more sinners than those to whom such events do not happen.

We are all sinners and we all need to repent and “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved” (Cf. Acts 16:31). Life is brief. You can never be sure how long it will last. We all should be prepared to meet our God at any moment.
 
For as long as Satan is the principality of this world there will always be the presence of evil until he is cast into the lake of fire on the last day when Christ returns, Rev 20:10. Meanwhile God has given us a Savior, Jesus, who has conquered the evil one and nailed sin to the cross that we now can have life eternal with the Father, John 3:16, as we are no longer of this world and all its evil as those by Gods grace that believe by faith which is Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:8, we have died to self and are risen with Christ as we seek those things from above where Christ sits at the right hand of the Father as we walk in Gods will and not our own, Colossians 3:1-4.

The moral laws that we are to follow through the greatest commandment of love are in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants, vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures, injuries and damages, property and property rights, Criminal laws, prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God that we present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us as a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.
 
https://billygraham.org/story/if-god-exists-why-is-there-evil/comment-page-3/#comment-1665957

Tragedies such as the Aurora Colorado theater shooting or the Virginia Tech massacre refocus the issue of evil in a vivid way. If there is a loving God, then why does He permit heinous crimes like this? Why doesn’t He intervene? The Christian cannot accept the claims of some that God “is not perfect and there are some things God does not control.”

My wife, Barb, and I suffered the tragic loss of our daughter Rhoda a few years ago. We know that such pain never really goes away. Yet, one thing is certain: The existence of evil does not eliminate God. Rather, it cries out for Him. In his book “Mere Christianity,” former atheist C.S. Lewis noted, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.”

This is where the argument of evil as evidence against God’s existence boomerangs into an argument for His existence. If there is an ultimate moral standard or law of justice, then there must be an ultimate moral Law Giver. Without His moral law we would not even know what evil really is. And without His spiritual comfort we would not be able to endure evil—at least not with any realistic hope and comfort. As the Apostle Paul said, we sorrow but not as those who have no hope (1 Thessalonians 4:13). And without His great power and love we would have no hope of ever getting a better world. Only a God who can bring good out of evil can solve this world’s problems.

Amid evil like the killings at Virginia Tech, we can cry out to God for comfort. Had it not been for all the Scripture I had committed to memory, such as Psalm 23; Isaiah 26:3, 40:31; John 14:1-6; Philippians 4:4-6; 2 Corinthians 4:17 and others, I don’t know what I would have done when our daughter died. I’ll never forget the trip from Asheville, N.C., to Charlotte after hearing of her untimely death. It was the longest two-hour trip I have ever taken. It felt like I was in a submarine, peering out through an ocean of tears. Nonetheless, I was able to cry out to God like Job: “The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21, KJV).

Heaven Will Not Be Like This
We can be sure that the world to come is not going to be like this one. This one is full of disaster, destruction and death. The next one will have none of these. John said it best: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. … And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:1, 4, KJV).

Paradise Lost
We know that God is not the author of evil. After the final day of creation, God declared, “It is very good” (Cf. Genesis 1:31). Adam and Eve were put into a sinless paradise, but they rebelled against God in a deliberate and unprovoked act of disobedience and were expelled from Paradise. They died spiritually at the moment of their disobedience (Ephesians 2:1), and eventually they died physically. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin, and thus sin spread to all men, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12, NKJV). Solomon said, “Truly, this only have I found: That God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Ecclesiastes 7:29, NKJV).

But if God made the world perfect, and the Paradise lost will become the Paradise regained, how did this one get so messed up? Why didn’t God make the first world and its people more perfect and skip this messed-up version in between?

The Purpose of Evil
The answer is two-fold. For one thing, God could have made a world with no evil in it. However, it would have been one of robots and puppets—creatures who could not love Him or anyone else. Love is possible only for free moral creatures; forced love is a contradiction. So, in order for the world to be morally good, it must be morally free. And free creatures are capable of free choices that bring disease, disaster and death. This is the world in which we live.

In “The Problem of Pain,” C.S. Lewis explains a second point about suffering. “God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” The painful truth is that God is more interested in our holiness than in our happiness. He is more interested in our character than in our comfort.

More than a half-century of Christian experience has led me to the conviction that few enduring lessons in life come through pleasure. All of mine have come through pain. Yet, I have joyfully learned that the poet was right when he said, “God is good when He gives supremely good, nor less when He denies. Even crosses from His gracious hands are blessings in disguise.” For the lessons of life reveal that “tribulation worketh patience” (Romans 5:4, KJV), and “Our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory” (2 Corinthians 4:17, KJV).

God Will Make Everything Right
Further, God is going to fix it up, but He hasn’t done it yet.

Here is the age-old dilemma: If God is all-good, as the Bible says, then He would want to get rid of evil. If He is all-powerful, then He could do it. But even a casual look at the evening news, to say nothing of the Virginia Tech tragedy, informs us that He has not defeated evil. Hence, the argument goes, there cannot be an all-good and all-powerful God.

While this logic sounds tight and painful, it is not faultless. Because God has not yet defeated all evil does not mean that He never will defeat it. Indeed, both good logic and the Bible declare that He will yet do away with evil. How so?

First, if God is all-powerful then He can do it, and if He is all-loving, then He wants to do it. And whatever He can and wants to do, He will do (Psalm 135:6). His very nature as an omnipotent and omni-benevolent being demands that evil will be vanquished.

Second, God already has done something about evil. He sent His only Son into the world to die for the world and to defeat evil. Evil was defeated officially at Christ’s first coming through His death and resurrection (Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 2:14, Ephesians 4:7-12). His victory over sin and the grave ensured Satan’s eventual defeat. The same Bible that accurately predicted Christ’s first coming through nearly 100 fulfilled prophecies promises that Christ will come again and will completely defeat evil.
Meanwhile, What Do We Do?

Jesus answered this in one word—repent. In Luke 13, Jesus hears the story of the Galileans “whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.” He asks if this happened to them because they were worse sinners than those who had not suffered such a tragic death. His answer was instructive: “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3, NKJV). In short, in a free and fallen world, tragedies happen to people who are no more sinners than those to whom such events do not happen.

We are all sinners and we all need to repent and “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved” (Cf. Acts 16:31). Life is brief. You can never be sure how long it will last. We all should be prepared to meet our God at any moment.
Are you saying Norman Geisler has the answer to why evil exists?
Neither he, nor anyone else, has that answer.
It is the unanswerable question and the biggest problem of Christianity.
I've stopped thinking about it.
 
dirtfarmer here

God created man and gave him dominion over his created earth. In Genesis 1:28 it is stated that man was to have control over the earth and the creatures that God created. It was man that lost that dominion when he disobeyed God. Satan is the usurper of that power at that time and became the rule of this world system. God being the righteous and just creator could have destroyed Satan at that time, but chose to leave no stones unturned so that anyone might have reason to accuse Him of being unjust. Satan at this time holds the title deed to this earth and is the god of this world. Jesus Christ came as the perfect sinless lamb of God to redeem those that are under the curse of "thorns and thistles" until Christ comes as the king and reclaims the authority to "have dominion" that Adam lost by opening the seven seals of the " seven seals on the scroll" which is the title to the physical world created by God.
 
dirtfarmer here

God created man and gave him dominion over his created earth. In Genesis 1:28 it is stated that man was to have control over the earth and the creatures that God created. It was man that lost that dominion when he disobeyed God. Satan is the usurper of that power at that time and became the rule of this world system. God being the righteous and just creator could have destroyed Satan at that time, but chose to leave no stones unturned so that anyone might have reason to accuse Him of being unjust. Satan at this time holds the title deed to this earth and is the god of this world. Jesus Christ came as the perfect sinless lamb of God to redeem those that are under the curse of "thorns and thistles" until Christ comes as the king and reclaims the authority to "have dominion" that Adam lost by opening the seven seals of the " seven seals on the scroll" which is the title to the physical world created by God.
Dirtfarmer,
You must know by now how I feel about this subject.
So who created satan? Did God?
If God is all good but not omnipotent, I could agree with you.
If God is omnipotent but not all good, I could agree with you.
But since God is all good and omnipotent, the problem persists.
 
through out the ages of time..man has wondered about evil 1973 my cousin bank president his wife went home for lunch . three men came upon them waited for them. while there the oldest daughter a senior came in from half day of h.s they was took few miles out in the country murder execution style .. we ask why? there is not a person on the ace of the earth .that has not experienced personal tragedy to some degree and asked why Lord Why . we see mass shootings and shake our head . one of the things in a paragraph that caught my attention
In “The Problem of Pain,” C.S. Lewis explains a second point about suffering. “God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” The painful truth is that God is more interested in our holiness than in our happiness. He is more interested in our character than in our comfort.
Jesus plainly tells us in this world we will have tribulation. our peace is in him. yes Jesus has overcome the world ..wondering you live in a area where one of the brutal dictators ruled . we can not explain it.. the author in no way implied he had the answer . i will end it at that
 
Dirtfarmer,
You must know by now how I feel about this subject.
So who created satan? Did God?
If God is all good but not omnipotent, I could agree with you.
If God is omnipotent but not all good, I could agree with you.
But since God is all good and omnipotent, the problem persists.






I'm not quite sure what omnipotent means (have to go look it up after I post this lol) but God is all good. Jesus is all good. We are the only beings that aren't all good. That's why evil exists. Unfortunately. Evil exists because sin exists.




Edit; Yes God is all omnipotent because it basically means having all the power in the universe and He does. Otherwise, why would we exist?
 
Dirtfarmer,
You must know by now how I feel about this subject.
So who created satan? Did God?
If God is all good but not omnipotent, I could agree with you.
If God is omnipotent but not all good, I could agree with you.
But since God is all good and omnipotent, the problem persists.

Since Satan is a fallen angel and God created all the angels then yes God created Satan. It was Satan's pride that caused his fall.
 
Since Satan is a fallen angel and God created all the angels then yes God created Satan. It was Satan's pride that caused his fall.
What created the pride?
Is that not an evil?
Could an all good being create evil?
In Genesis God said it was all good.
 
Is it possible that like us God also gave him free will?
Yes. Satan did have free will when he chose to disobey God and wanted to be like God. He no longer has free will; he can only choose evil. He cannot choose good.
The problem is this: Satan had pride. Where did the pride initiate?
If you're a new Christian, you may not have pondered these questions yet and maybe you really shouldn't? Because, in the end, you won't find an answer...
 
True, but I don't think that it isn't the ability that he can't choose good anymore, he's just so evil and so far gone that he doesn't want to choose good. By the way, I think his pride comes from the fact that when people decide to do bad and reject God that he gets to torment them in Hell. That's only my guess.
 
True, but I don't think that it isn't the ability that he can't choose good anymore, he's just so evil and so far gone that he doesn't want to choose good. By the way, I think his pride comes from the fact that when people decide to do bad and reject God that he gets to torment them in Hell. That's only my guess.
It's an interesting concept. I think satan enjoys tormenting people too.
This is why we should keep at a distance from him.
 
https://billygraham.org/story/if-god-exists-why-is-there-evil/comment-page-3/#comment-1665957

Tragedies such as the Aurora Colorado theater shooting or the Virginia Tech massacre refocus the issue of evil in a vivid way. If there is a loving God, then why does He permit heinous crimes like this? Why doesn’t He intervene? The Christian cannot accept the claims of some that God “is not perfect and there are some things God does not control.”

My wife, Barb, and I suffered the tragic loss of our daughter Rhoda a few years ago. We know that such pain never really goes away. Yet, one thing is certain: The existence of evil does not eliminate God. Rather, it cries out for Him. In his book “Mere Christianity,” former atheist C.S. Lewis noted, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.”

This is where the argument of evil as evidence against God’s existence boomerangs into an argument for His existence. If there is an ultimate moral standard or law of justice, then there must be an ultimate moral Law Giver. Without His moral law we would not even know what evil really is. And without His spiritual comfort we would not be able to endure evil—at least not with any realistic hope and comfort. As the Apostle Paul said, we sorrow but not as those who have no hope (1 Thessalonians 4:13). And without His great power and love we would have no hope of ever getting a better world. Only a God who can bring good out of evil can solve this world’s problems.

Amid evil like the killings at Virginia Tech, we can cry out to God for comfort. Had it not been for all the Scripture I had committed to memory, such as Psalm 23; Isaiah 26:3, 40:31; John 14:1-6; Philippians 4:4-6; 2 Corinthians 4:17 and others, I don’t know what I would have done when our daughter died. I’ll never forget the trip from Asheville, N.C., to Charlotte after hearing of her untimely death. It was the longest two-hour trip I have ever taken. It felt like I was in a submarine, peering out through an ocean of tears. Nonetheless, I was able to cry out to God like Job: “The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21, KJV).

Heaven Will Not Be Like This
We can be sure that the world to come is not going to be like this one. This one is full of disaster, destruction and death. The next one will have none of these. John said it best: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. … And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:1, 4, KJV).

Paradise Lost
We know that God is not the author of evil. After the final day of creation, God declared, “It is very good” (Cf. Genesis 1:31). Adam and Eve were put into a sinless paradise, but they rebelled against God in a deliberate and unprovoked act of disobedience and were expelled from Paradise. They died spiritually at the moment of their disobedience (Ephesians 2:1), and eventually they died physically. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin, and thus sin spread to all men, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12, NKJV). Solomon said, “Truly, this only have I found: That God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Ecclesiastes 7:29, NKJV).

But if God made the world perfect, and the Paradise lost will become the Paradise regained, how did this one get so messed up? Why didn’t God make the first world and its people more perfect and skip this messed-up version in between?

The Purpose of Evil
The answer is two-fold. For one thing, God could have made a world with no evil in it. However, it would have been one of robots and puppets—creatures who could not love Him or anyone else. Love is possible only for free moral creatures; forced love is a contradiction. So, in order for the world to be morally good, it must be morally free. And free creatures are capable of free choices that bring disease, disaster and death. This is the world in which we live.

In “The Problem of Pain,” C.S. Lewis explains a second point about suffering. “God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” The painful truth is that God is more interested in our holiness than in our happiness. He is more interested in our character than in our comfort.

More than a half-century of Christian experience has led me to the conviction that few enduring lessons in life come through pleasure. All of mine have come through pain. Yet, I have joyfully learned that the poet was right when he said, “God is good when He gives supremely good, nor less when He denies. Even crosses from His gracious hands are blessings in disguise.” For the lessons of life reveal that “tribulation worketh patience” (Romans 5:4, KJV), and “Our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory” (2 Corinthians 4:17, KJV).

God Will Make Everything Right
Further, God is going to fix it up, but He hasn’t done it yet.

Here is the age-old dilemma: If God is all-good, as the Bible says, then He would want to get rid of evil. If He is all-powerful, then He could do it. But even a casual look at the evening news, to say nothing of the Virginia Tech tragedy, informs us that He has not defeated evil. Hence, the argument goes, there cannot be an all-good and all-powerful God.

While this logic sounds tight and painful, it is not faultless. Because God has not yet defeated all evil does not mean that He never will defeat it. Indeed, both good logic and the Bible declare that He will yet do away with evil. How so?

First, if God is all-powerful then He can do it, and if He is all-loving, then He wants to do it. And whatever He can and wants to do, He will do (Psalm 135:6). His very nature as an omnipotent and omni-benevolent being demands that evil will be vanquished.

Second, God already has done something about evil. He sent His only Son into the world to die for the world and to defeat evil. Evil was defeated officially at Christ’s first coming through His death and resurrection (Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 2:14, Ephesians 4:7-12). His victory over sin and the grave ensured Satan’s eventual defeat. The same Bible that accurately predicted Christ’s first coming through nearly 100 fulfilled prophecies promises that Christ will come again and will completely defeat evil.
Meanwhile, What Do We Do?

Jesus answered this in one word—repent. In Luke 13, Jesus hears the story of the Galileans “whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.” He asks if this happened to them because they were worse sinners than those who had not suffered such a tragic death. His answer was instructive: “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3, NKJV). In short, in a free and fallen world, tragedies happen to people who are no more sinners than those to whom such events do not happen.

We are all sinners and we all need to repent and “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved” (Cf. Acts 16:31). Life is brief. You can never be sure how long it will last. We all should be prepared to meet our God at any moment.

Terrific post Ezra
 
What created the pride?
Is that not an evil?
Could an all good being create evil?
In Genesis God said it was all good.

the sin of pride comes from a freewill choice. Even though God created angels He apparently also gave them freewill as they can choose to remain in that holy estate where they were placed in the beginning or they can leave their first estate for a lower one like Satan did and the third that followed him and also those angels that are in everlasting chains under darkness until the day of judgment. The angels that have disobeyed God their condition is not like that of man. Man can be redeemed from his fallen state by the applied blood of Jesus Christ. The fallen angels have no means by which they can return to their first estate after they leave it.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

2 Peter 2: 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
 
Yes. Satan did have free will when he chose to disobey God and wanted to be like God. He no longer has free will; he can only choose evil. He cannot choose good.
The problem is this: Satan had pride. Where did the pride initiate?
If you're a new Christian, you may not have pondered these questions yet and maybe you really shouldn't? Because, in the end, you won't find an answer...

Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 both describe the fall of Satan (Lucifer) and the pride he had that caused his fall, but getting into this opens a can of worms as many will debate these verses are not speaking about Satan so I do not want to open that can, but to only say study it for yourself.
 
Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 both describe the fall of Satan (Lucifer) and the pride he had that caused his fall, but getting into this opens a can of worms as many will debate these verses are not speaking about Satan so I do not want to open that can, but to only say study it for yourself.
I studied it for myself and found that those passages don't speak of Satan and that there is no being in the Bible with the name Lucifer. Such ideas have to be read into those passages. But I don't want to open a can of worms either.
 
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