Is the vaccine effective?

[Edward]

This is all about the Word of God. Either you believe you Bible, or you do not.

Psalm 23
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.../

I mean, either this is true, or you don't believe it is true. And I tell you one thing, these are obviously the last days. We can all easily see the drastic changes which put a heavy burden upon it's own people, and the mark of the beast is going to show up eventually. Will people take it? Hmm, let's have a dry run with covid to see if anyone would even stand up and make their own choice and resist any Governmental Needles.
Mark of the Beast: No buying or selling of any kind. Hungry families.
Covid Vaccinations: No Job?! Hungry Families?!

I believe the mark of the beast will go into a persons system and change the persons DNA. And that's why those people are not redeemable. So...Do you believe the word of God is true?

 

[Free]

Blah Blah Blah...They have a saying. Goes like this...

Don't pea down my back and tell me it's raining!

If you want to engage as a Christian, then please do so. This kind of response is unbecoming of a Christian.

Them people got fired. No oppression? Now no paycheck? Hungry Families?

Come on man, make sense.

How have I not made sense? Perhaps a little effort to show how any of what I have said doesn't make sense would be helpful.

If you want oppression, look at China, North Korea, or any other number of places where people are actually oppressed. A minority of people are being fired from their jobs solely on the basis that they have, for some reason, decided not to get vaccinated. The decision to not get vaccinated potentially puts others' lives in jeopardy, especially in lines of work where one is not only not able to work in isolation, but where one often deals with the most vulnerable. Choices have consequences.

 

[Northman]

Choices have consequences.

Aye. And should anyone choose to make the choice to opt for segregation, do not be surprised or lament at the violence that is a consequence of jumping on board with that choice.

 

[Free]

Aye. And should anyone choose to make the choice to opt for segregation, do not be surprised or lament at the violence that is a consequence of jumping on board with that choice.

What do you mean by "segregation" and who is choosing to opt for it?

 

[Northman]

What do you mean by "segregation" and who is choosing to opt for it?

You are in Alberta, which means you know about vaccine passports and the fact you can't work in a number of fields(which are growing) or are able to buy/sell from/to many establishments already.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by your "question". If you are a Canadian it should be very obvious, generally by your geography, where people stand.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you want to engage as a Christian, then please do so. This kind of response is unbecoming of a Christian.


How have I not made sense? Perhaps a little effort to show how any of what I have said doesn't make sense would be helpful.

If you want oppression, look at China, North Korea, or any other number of places where people are actually oppressed. A minority of people are being fired from their jobs solely on the basis that they have, for some reason, decided not to get vaccinated. The decision to not get vaccinated potentially puts others' lives in jeopardy, especially in lines of work where one is not only not able to work in isolation, but where one often deals with the most vulnerable. Choices have consequences.other people at risk?

This is interesting.
I don't have the virus.
I have not been vaccinated.
How do I put others at risk?

 

[christian1724]

There is no oppression. They exercised their rights and made the choice to not get vaccinated. So institutions and businesses also have exercised their rights to determine who does and does not come onto their property or work with people who are among the most vulnerable. Besides, the vast majority of health workers and first responders are fully vaxxed, so the question is, why aren't the rest? It's likely because many believe the misinformation that many others believe. Others may have reservations about the vaccines. Either way, it doesn't make sense and shows they lack some critical thinking skills necessary for their work.

There are many people who will not take this potion/vaccine no matter how hard you try to shame them. Under a government issued mandate these people will be fined and imprisoned at the least. How would you respond to that?

 

[Free]

You are in Alberta, which means you know about vaccine passports and the fact you can't work in a number of fields(which are growing) or are able to buy/sell from/to many establishments already.

So, you're using segregation in a fallacious way to try and make it look like what is going on is akin to the segregation by race and ethnic group that used to be done, correct? This is nothing of the sort. People have the right to choose whether or not they get vaccinated. I fully support that. But if people don't want to be responsible citizens and participate with the rest of society in doing what is best to get through this pandemic as quickly and safely as possible--by getting vaccinated--then that's on them, not on the rest. As I said, there are consequences for our choices. It's actually quite socialist of them--they want to reap the benefits of everyone else doing the work of getting vaccinated without having to get vaccinated themselves.

Additionally, I am consistent and also support the right and responsibility of institutions and businesses to look out for the health and safety of others by choosing who comes onto their property . Why don't you think businesses and institutions also have the same right as individuals?

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by your "question". If you are a Canadian it should be very obvious, generally by your geography, where people stand.

I just wanted to make sure I'm clear on what you meant. Yeah, there are too many who have already been a bit violent and made too many threats towards those who support the COVID vaccines. It's an utterly immature, base, and self-centered response.

 

[Free]

There are many people who will not take this potion/vaccine no matter how hard you try to shame them. Under a government issued mandate these people will be fined and imprisoned at the least. How would you respond to that?

They are vaccines, not potions; this isn't witchcraft. It's fine that people don't want to get vaccinated, that is their free choice. But in the interest of public health and safety, that choice must have consequences. I wish things were different, but vaccines are the best option to get through this at the moment.

 

[christian1724]

They are vaccines, not potions; this isn't witchcraft. It's fine that people don't want to get vaccinated, that is their free choice. But in the interest of public health and safety, that choice must have consequences. I wish things were different, but vaccines are the best option to get through this at the moment.

What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?
Examples: Some might suggest forced vaccination, others may suggest death penalty, imprisonment, restriction of freedoms, harsh fines, progressive penalties up to _____, etc. Please be as specific as possible. I think it would be interesting to make a list of various penalties for not participating in the 'vaccine' therapy.

 

[Free]

What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?
Examples: Some might suggest forced vaccination, others may suggest death penalty, imprisonment, restriction of freedoms, harsh fines, progressive penalties up to _____, etc. Please be as specific as possible. I think it would be interesting to make a list of various penalties for not participating in the 'vaccine' therapy.

Are there “penalties” for not getting vaccinated? I am not so certain there are. People are losing and going to lose jobs and there is a restriction of freedoms for the unvaccinated, but those are a consequence of the clash of rights—the right of the greater good when it comes to health and safety will probably always win, and it should.

 

[christian1724]

It's fine that people don't want to get vaccinated, that is their free choice. But in the interest of public health and safety, that choice must have consequences. I wish things were different...

You said that the choice not to be vaccinated "...must have consequences.".

Are there “penalties” for not getting vaccinated? I am not so certain there are. People are losing and going to lose jobs and there is a restriction of freedoms for the unvaccinated, but those are a consequence of the clash of rights—the right of the greater good when it comes to health and safety will probably always win, and it should.

Assuming that vaccination were to be mandated by law (which it is not currently), I asked "What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?" and offered some examples. I'm sure you must have some ideas in your own mind of what that might be.

I know the question is not an easy one to answer and you obviously aren't required to answer it. Maybe I should come up with a thread that would pose a question offering a generous number of suggested maximum punishments for those who refuse to obey such a law. Again, I think it would be interesting to get an idea of what people think the consequences should be if such a government intervention were to happen. I wonder if it might also have the side effect of causing people to temper their responses on threads like this one.

 

[Northman]

So, you're using segregation in a fallacious way to try and make it look like what is going on is akin to the segregation by race and ethnic group that used to be done, correct? This is nothing of the sort. People have the right to choose whether or not they get vaccinated. I fully support that. But if people don't want to be responsible citizens and participate with the rest of society in doing what is best to get through this pandemic as quickly and safely as possible--by getting vaccinated--then that's on them, not on the rest. As I said, there are consequences for our choices. It's actually quite socialist of them--they want to reap the benefits of everyone else doing the work of getting vaccinated without having to get vaccinated themselves.

Additionally, I am consistent and also support the right and responsibility of institutions and businesses to look out for the health and safety of others by choosing who comes onto their property . Why don't you think businesses and institutions also have the same right as individuals?

That is quite a grand dismissal, with many options for narrative setting and an abundance of topics you get to lead through. Unfortunately I'm not interested in any of that. You seemed to understand choices. I completely understand if you want to use language to discredit a targeted group that you have been roused against, but my role isn't to play a side that you get to debate and "win" against. It was informative, and that was obvious.

See? Your choice to stay in a place of rationalizing the abuse is already having consequences.

 

[Free]

You said that the choice not to be vaccinated "...must have consequences.".

Yes, I am aware.

Assuming that vaccination were to be mandated by law (which it is not currently), I asked "What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?" and offered some examples. I'm sure you must have some ideas in your own mind of what that might be.

Now you're changing the question. You did not state that I was to assume vaccinations were to be mandated by law. All you asked was: "What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?".

I know the question is not an easy one to answer and you obviously aren't required to answer it. Maybe I should come up with a thread that would pose a question offering a generous number of suggested maximum punishments for those who refuse to obey such a law. Again, I think it would be interesting to get an idea of what people think the consequences should be if such a government intervention were to happen. I wonder if it might also have the side effect of causing people to temper their responses on threads like this one.

Any punishment would have to be proportional to the crime, which is basically how things work, or are at least supposed to. It doesn't really matter to me what the punishments were, unless the punishments were excessive and disproportionate. But this is really a non-issue, just like getting one of the vaccines is a non-issue.

 

[Free]

That is quite a grand dismissal, with many options for narrative setting and an abundance of topics you get to lead through. Unfortunately I'm not interested in any of that. You seemed to understand choices. I completely understand if you want to use language to discredit a targeted group that you have been roused against, but my role isn't to play a side that you get to debate and "win" against. It was informative, and that was obvious.

See? Your choice to stay in a place of rationalizing the abuse is already having consequences.

There is neither dismissal of anything nor rationalizing abuse (because there is no abuse and I would never rationalize it). I simply laid out my case and stated the obvious. I'm not surprised you don't want to address it though; I have put it to numerous people and have yet to get an answer. Everyone will argue to their rights until it is put plainly to them that their rights only extend so far and that someone's rights must overrule at some point, particularly where health and safety are concerned. Then they go silent.

I'm not quite sure what you're even getting at, other than you seem to think it is okay for people to use violence against others they disagree with, that they should even expect it.

 

[Edward]

If you want to engage as a Christian, then please do so. This kind of response is unbecoming of a Christian.


How have I not made sense? Perhaps a little effort to show how any of what I have said doesn't make sense would be helpful.

If you want oppression, look at China, North Korea, or any other number of places where people are actually oppressed. A minority of people are being fired from their jobs solely on the basis that they have, for some reason, decided not to get vaccinated. The decision to not get vaccinated potentially puts others' lives in jeopardy, especially in lines of work where one is not only not able to work in isolation, but where one often deals with the most vulnerable. Choices have consequences.

Like I said before. Blah blah blah. It's danger danger now because some have made a personal decision to not get vaccinated.

There is neither dismissal of anything nor rationalizing abuse (because there is no abuse and I would never rationalize it). I simply laid out my case and stated the obvious. I'm not surprised you don't want to address it though; I have put it to numerous people and have yet to get an answer. Everyone will argue to their rights until it is put plainly to them that their rights only extend so far and that someone's rights must overrule at some point, particularly where health and safety are concerned. Then they go silent.

I'm not quite sure what you're even getting at, other than you seem to think it is okay for people to use violence against others they disagree with, that they should even expect it.

Don't forget, the Vaccines are for the Children. For the children for the children. And certainly the protection of the Children will keep you in the innocent caring human being category.

You should be being paid for your work by them. You would seem to be their poster child for the wholesome vaccine which saves lives. It takes a village.

I'm waiting for them to come out with Vaccination day in our schools. Kids'll get a Lollipop, a snack, a drink, a cookie and the most wholesome Loving Vaccination that the earth has ever seen before. Nevermind that it's from the most well established dishonest governmental system on the planet. And if the kid don't take it, then he or she is suspended, and steps for prosecution of the parents begin.

Sorry Mom, you've been over ruled by the Village. Sorry Dad, you're a Domestic Terrorist if you resist.

 

[JLB]

If you want oppression, look at China,

Yes, look at China.


Where did the virus come from; Wuhan Virology Lab in China.


WAKE UP!

 

[Free]

Like I said before. Blah blah blah. It's danger danger now because some have made a personal decision to not get vaccinated.


Don't forget, the Vaccines are for the Children. For the children for the children. And certainly the protection of the Children will keep you in the innocent caring human being category.

You should be being paid for your work by them. You would seem to be their poster child for the wholesome vaccine which saves lives. It takes a village.

I'm waiting for them to come out with Vaccination day in our schools. Kids'll get a Lollipop, a snack, a drink, a cookie and the most wholesome Loving Vaccination that the earth has ever seen before. Nevermind that it's from the most well established dishonest governmental system on the planet. And if the kid don't take it, then he or she is suspended, and steps for prosecution of the parents begin.

Sorry Mom, you've been over ruled by the Village. Sorry Dad, you're a Domestic Terrorist if you resist.

The danger is the virus and there many vulnerable people out there who healthcare and frontline workers deal with on a daily basis. If they don’t do all that they reasonably can to protect others from the virus, then they’re neglecting their duty and any oaths to do no harm.

It really is too bad that you are unwilling to discuss this in a way that honours God but would rather bring the name of Christ into disrepute.

 

[Edward]

The danger is the virus and there many vulnerable people out there who healthcare and frontline workers deal with on a daily basis. If they don’t do all that they reasonably can to protect others from the virus, then they’re neglecting their duty and any oaths to do no harm.

It really is too bad that you are unwilling to discuss this in a way that honours God but would rather bring the name of Christ into disrepute.

Oaths to do no harm? Have you ever read the hippocratic oath? I'm guessing no but I have read it and...that's not what they are doing right now.

You ever read the original Hippocratic oath? They rewrote it in 1963. And compared to first Hippocratic oath, they are exactly 180 degrees off. Go google them and see for yourself. I found both of them easy enough.

 

[WIP]

You said that the choice not to be vaccinated "...must have consequences.".

Assuming that vaccination were to be mandated by law (which it is not currently), I asked "What is/are the harshest consequences that you would go along with?" and offered some examples. I'm sure you must have some ideas in your own mind of what that might be.

I know the question is not an easy one to answer and you obviously aren't required to answer it. Maybe I should come up with a thread that would pose a question offering a generous number of suggested maximum punishments for those who refuse to obey such a law. Again, I think it would be interesting to get an idea of what people think the consequences should be if such a government intervention were to happen. I wonder if it might also have the side effect of causing people to temper their responses on threads like this one.

One question that I would have about this is what about if the vaccines turn out to be the cause of some major health issues down the road. After forcing people to submit to receiving those vaccinations in the name of serving the "greater good," should there also not be consequences for inflicting serious injury or death by that very law and who should be held accountable and finally, what consequence could one possibly place for having taken the life of another by such action?