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Adullam said:
Maybe I should have framed it as....
Has anyone lived in Christian community???
There was a time after the assention of Jesus Christ in which there was 'community'. Though I believe this type of community can only exist with each daily worshiping God and all having 'singleness of heart' in the purpose of learning and teaching the Word of God!

Acts 2:44-46
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, KJV
 
Ret said:
Adullam said:
Maybe I should have framed it as....
Has anyone lived in Christian community???
There was a time after the assention of Jesus Christ in which there was 'community'. Though I believe this type of community can only exist with each daily worshiping God and all having 'singleness of heart' in the purpose of learning and teaching the Word of God!

Acts 2:44-46
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, KJV
:yes
 
Adullam said:
Ret said:
Adullam said:
Maybe I should have framed it as....
Has anyone lived in Christian community???
There was a time after the assention of Jesus Christ in which there was 'community'. Though I believe this type of community can only exist with each daily worshiping God and all having 'singleness of heart' in the purpose of learning and teaching the Word of God!

Acts 2:44-46
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, KJV
:yes
This was the work of God on there hearts and minds. Then just a few short years later after the stoning of Stephen they were scattered; for their own good as well as the good of those who heard their testimony.

The Lord our God gathers us into little bands and gives us milk to bring us up. Then he scatters us to give us strong meat and to deliver us from the corruption.

Joe
 
But the work is done before the scattering. All who live godly will suffer persecution. We scatter before we do anything. :gah

The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as lions.
 
destiny said:
...but that doesn't mean they all lived in the same house. :shrug


Christians choose houses based on a variety of things. Mainly what suits them. And this with no thought given as to whom the neighbours are. I believe that unless God directs one to a specific house, a Christian should move near the brethren. We don't have to live in the same house...but there are many examples of Christian neighbourhoods or all buying houses on the same street. Of course, religious ones won't understand this.

Even the Jews are far more commited to their faith than we Christians are. The observant among them all move within a few blocks of their synagogue.

In the old days catholics did likewise. We are experiencing a devolution of community and a rise of selfishness among "believers." For them to live...is them!

John
 
Is the church not a community of disciples interacting on a daily basis? Or is it simply a few hours of religious servicing! :nono
 
Adullam said:
Do any here see the benefit of being gathered together in Christian community for the sake of a living testimony? This could be living together in a big house....or buying property near one another to share a community life.

Any thoughts?

I have lived in two houses , when I was young. I liked both times. In one house we all went to Bible school together and the other,we just lived as a community. It was great and I loved it. Our house was always open (literally ) and sometimes we would all be in bed already and hear people coming in. They would go upstairs and go and make coffee, late at night and talk in our lounge. LOL , while we were all sleeping. It became a gathering place for the church "after hours". We shared some duties and spoke out when something was wrong. (we came together once a week to talk about things )
On a Wednesday we had a worship meeting in the house for the youth and the house really rocked as the youth worshiped and danced. We had a wooden floor and sometimes I got scared, because I could really feel the house moving (it was really old too LOL )

I have built my present house so that it can house a community again.I believe the Lord showed me three years ago (when I started building ) that He would be sending me people that will stay with me again. Well, it looks like He was right, because with the present economic situation, there are Christians here that will soon be looking for a place to stay. The Lord also told me to pay off the house (which I did ) because the economy of the world will go bust (that was told three years ago )

So, I love it :) It teaches us to share and to die to self. We have to give up our rights and love people, even when it becomes difficult. God taught me a lot during those times.

C
 
Psa 133:1 A Song of Ascents; of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!
 
Cornelius said:
Adullam said:
Do any here see the benefit of being gathered together in Christian community for the sake of a living testimony? This could be living together in a big house....or buying property near one another to share a community life.

Any thoughts?

I have lived in two houses , when I was young. I liked both times. In one house we all went to Bible school together and the other,we just lived as a community. It was great and I loved it. Our house was always open (literally ) and sometimes we would all be in bed already and hear people coming in. They would go upstairs and go and make coffee, late at night and talk in our lounge. LOL , while we were all sleeping. It became a gathering place for the church "after hours". We shared some duties and spoke out when something was wrong. (we came together once a week to talk about things )
On a Wednesday we had a worship meeting in the house for the youth and the house really rocked as the youth worshiped and danced. We had a wooden floor and sometimes I got scared, because I could really feel the house moving (it was really old too LOL )

I have built my present house so that it can house a community again.I believe the Lord showed me three years ago (when I started building ) that He would be sending me people that will stay with me again. Well, it looks like He was right, because with the present economic situation, there are Christians here that will soon be looking for a place to stay. The Lord also told me to pay off the house (which I did ) because the economy of the world will go bust (that was told three years ago )

So, I love it :) It teaches us to share and to die to self. We have to give up our rights and love people, even when it becomes difficult. God taught me a lot during those times.

C

:amen :thumbsup :clap3
 
Cornelius said:
Psa 133:1 A Song of Ascents; of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!


Amen! It doesn't say only have meetings together....it is DWELL. :thumb
 
Christian community

The concept of community needs to be seen in a larger context. Throughout most of the history of the world "community" was your family. People seldom died more than 10 miles from where they were born. Your neighbors were you aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.

The religious wars of Europe in the 1600s gave birth to the ironically named "enlightenment" period where it can be said that the idea of the nation state was born. In the 1700s "educated" (meaning godless) people started to consider how society could be managed for the benefit of all. This gave rise to philosophies of democracy and even communism and other devised means for the management of people.

Just as with the tower of Babel, people were able to accomplish more as they collectivized. This produced prosperity and the peace which allowed for the development of technology. Sounds like heaven on earth doesn't it.

There was a dark side to this burgeoning state of utopia. Families were being systematically dismantled. Even as early as the late 1700s one can observe declining fertility rates. This is a demographic term rather than a biological term. As people began to view their existence in terms of comfort and prosperity, those things that impinge (such as children) begin to decrease in occurrence.

As the technology for transportation developed people where less inclined to live where they were born and took advantage of the opportunity to locate themselves in densely populated areas to further enhance the possibility of increasing comfort and prosperity.

At the time when the few children being born were becoming even more of an inconvenience, public education was brought on the scene to free mothers of their "burdens" so that they were now available to swell the collective work force.

We now live in the socialist and communist utopia where every adult is free to work for the benefit of the state. A 30% income tax, 10% state tax, 5% sales tax, 15% SSI (where your treasure is there your heart is) indicates that we now relate more to the government than anything else. 2/3 of what we make goes to support the government.

We live in a world where the state has replaced family. People still marry and live together, but almost as roommates as interests and activities take everyone in their own directions. Marx called religion the "opiate" of the masses. A more correct assessment might identify TV as the soporific that makes tolerable our "Brave New World".

The world now talks of "community" as if a contrived arrangement of people with similar interests can sooth the soul's hunger for family. It is almost as if as the final stages of our enslavement to the state (in preparation for Satan's attempt to rule the world) bring a sub-conscious alarm that even the most advanced distractions cannot completely quell.

If we take a look at the first Christian community (in Jerusalem) we find not even the powerful works of the Holy Spirit could overcome favoritism and pretense. This first community held everything in common not because this is the ideal state but because they were almost refugees in their own home town. Consider what economic opportunities there were for those thrown out of the synagogue and ordered shunned by the religious authorities. The first church in Jerusalem was held together by pressure from the outside. They lived off their pooled resources until they were depleted and then off the donations of other churches.

Christians are told to love one another so often not because we are so lovable, but just the opposite. Unless we surrender our selfishness in our surrender to Christ, we cannot hope to even get along with each other.

Peter writes to Christians that are about to undergo persecution that they should be ready to give a reason for the hope that is within them. As long as most "Christians" go along with the world, there will be no persecution. However, as the mainline churches are taken further and further from the Lord, real Christians will start to separate themselves and begin to look for others for fellowship and support.

The Bible mentions a time of apostasy. If this describes the period into which we are entering, those "Christians" who continue after the world we are well rid of. We want to hold high the light of truth in an ever darkening world for those who the Lord brings to still seek it. However, the darkness will bring real Christians together for fellowship, then support, and then survival.

"Community" is a word from the world which means collective and organization. It functions as a machine and can never fully serve the needs of Christians. Family is a word that better serves Christians. Our unity is in Christ where we can finally be called a "body". It is unfortunate that it is often persecution that drives us to the unity we need to act as the "body" of Christ.

As churches increasingly follow after the world, real Christians will find themselves abandoned by that in which they formerly trusted. While uncomfortable, we need to understand that we should have been seeking after our Lord all along rather than lulled into a type of Christian "sleep walking" by a denomination or "community".

The recently roused Christian may need to be guided as to how to walk by the Spirit and grow into the full measure of Christ. It is then we learn the true riches to be found in the family and body of Christ. The life in Christ is not scripted or proceduralized. Each one of us is to be led by the Lord. This might entail one Christian asking another for help or even moving in with another Christian. However, the idea of "community" has more in common with the collective than it does with the family.
 
Adullam said:
destiny said:
...but that doesn't mean they all lived in the same house. :shrug


Christians choose houses based on a variety of things. Mainly what suits them. And this with no thought given as to whom the neighbours are. I believe that unless God directs one to a specific house, a Christian should move near the brethren. We don't have to live in the same house...but there are many examples of Christian neighbourhoods or all buying houses on the same street. Of course, religious ones won't understand this.

Even the Jews are far more commited to their faith than we Christians are. The observant among them all move within a few blocks of their synagogue.

In the old days catholics did likewise. We are experiencing a devolution of community and a rise of selfishness among "believers." For them to live...is them!

John
I don't feel that it's religious or selfish not to desire to live under one roof with other families. If that's what you feel to do then do it.
It's certainly not something God is calling me to do or giving me a heart for. For me "community" is all about those he's given me to fellowship and share with.
Unity means all being in one heart and spirit towards God, that is different than all dwelling under the same earthly roof. :shrug
 
Timf said:
Christian community

The concept of community needs to be seen in a larger context. Throughout most of the history of the world "community" was your family. People seldom died more than 10 miles from where they were born. Your neighbors were you aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.

The religious wars of Europe in the 1600s gave birth to the ironically named "enlightenment" period where it can be said that the idea of the nation state was born. In the 1700s "educated" (meaning godless) people started to consider how society could be managed for the benefit of all. This gave rise to philosophies of democracy and even communism and other devised means for the management of people.

Just as with the tower of Babel, people were able to accomplish more as they collectivized. This produced prosperity and the peace which allowed for the development of technology. Sounds like heaven on earth doesn't it.

There was a dark side to this burgeoning state of utopia. Families were being systematically dismantled. Even as early as the late 1700s one can observe declining fertility rates. This is a demographic term rather than a biological term. As people began to view their existence in terms of comfort and prosperity, those things that impinge (such as children) begin to decrease in occurrence.

As the technology for transportation developed people where less inclined to live where they were born and took advantage of the opportunity to locate themselves in densely populated areas to further enhance the possibility of increasing comfort and prosperity.

At the time when the few children being born were becoming even more of an inconvenience, public education was brought on the scene to free mothers of their "burdens" so that they were now available to swell the collective work force.

We now live in the socialist and communist utopia where every adult is free to work for the benefit of the state. A 30% income tax, 10% state tax, 5% sales tax, 15% SSI (where your treasure is there your heart is) indicates that we now relate more to the government than anything else. 2/3 of what we make goes to support the government.

We live in a world where the state has replaced family. People still marry and live together, but almost as roommates as interests and activities take everyone in their own directions. Marx called religion the "opiate" of the masses. A more correct assessment might identify TV as the soporific that makes tolerable our "Brave New World".

The world now talks of "community" as if a contrived arrangement of people with similar interests can sooth the soul's hunger for family. It is almost as if as the final stages of our enslavement to the state (in preparation for Satan's attempt to rule the world) bring a sub-conscious alarm that even the most advanced distractions cannot completely quell.

If we take a look at the first Christian community (in Jerusalem) we find not even the powerful works of the Holy Spirit could overcome favoritism and pretense. This first community held everything in common not because this is the ideal state but because they were almost refugees in their own home town. Consider what economic opportunities there were for those thrown out of the synagogue and ordered shunned by the religious authorities. The first church in Jerusalem was held together by pressure from the outside. They lived off their pooled resources until they were depleted and then off the donations of other churches.

Christians are told to love one another so often not because we are so lovable, but just the opposite. Unless we surrender our selfishness in our surrender to Christ, we cannot hope to even get along with each other.

Peter writes to Christians that are about to undergo persecution that they should be ready to give a reason for the hope that is within them. As long as most "Christians" go along with the world, there will be no persecution. However, as the mainline churches are taken further and further from the Lord, real Christians will start to separate themselves and begin to look for others for fellowship and support.

The Bible mentions a time of apostasy. If this describes the period into which we are entering, those "Christians" who continue after the world we are well rid of. We want to hold high the light of truth in an ever darkening world for those who the Lord brings to still seek it. However, the darkness will bring real Christians together for fellowship, then support, and then survival.

"Community" is a word from the world which means collective and organization. It functions as a machine and can never fully serve the needs of Christians. Family is a word that better serves Christians. Our unity is in Christ where we can finally be called a "body". It is unfortunate that it is often persecution that drives us to the unity we need to act as the "body" of Christ.

As churches increasingly follow after the world, real Christians will find themselves abandoned by that in which they formerly trusted. While uncomfortable, we need to understand that we should have been seeking after our Lord all along rather than lulled into a type of Christian "sleep walking" by a denomination or "community".

The recently roused Christian may need to be guided as to how to walk by the Spirit and grow into the full measure of Christ. It is then we learn the true riches to be found in the family and body of Christ. The life in Christ is not scripted or proceduralized. Each one of us is to be led by the Lord. This might entail one Christian asking another for help or even moving in with another Christian. However, the idea of "community" has more in common with the collective than it does with the family.


Masterful post Tim! I doff my hat! :)

I cannot think of a better term than community. :gah If I say Body or family, the mind is not challenged, as the denominations use these terms with great comfort. These terms have become religious concepts that don't cost anything to affirm. A community is a group of people that has something in common; and live in that reality...together. We are constrained by the English language to use a termininology that may mean other things as well. Our terminology will ultimately fail through a subversion of our language by the identification of common words to wordly ideas.

In Hebrew there is the word "Edah"....which means both community AND testimony (witness). This is a better word...but it is as foreign to our ears as the kind of community it represents. This is where our minds need renewal. When I say Christian community, I am saying the Edah of God.

Blessings to you

John
 
Thought this is not a study on 'end times', end time thoughts do affect our decision making.
So, is the fulfillment of this scripture from Zechariah close at hand?

Zech 12:10-14

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart. KJV w/emphasis..R

My apologies if this is off topic, but I believe the times of tribulation are just ahead of us and these thoughts about how we look at our Lord, the ONE we have 'pierced' and morn for HIM, as one morns for an only son are very strong in my mind, which also affect how and when I want to live 'apart' ... though still a member of the body, family or community.
 
Just to be clear, I do believe there are circumstances, like tribulation, that can cause us to have to live under the same roof or further scatter us. I suspect both of those will be happening when the time comes.
In times of peace and plenty I just don't feel it's wise to live with other families under the same roof.
That's just my :twocents :salute
 
Adullam said:
Maybe I should have framed it as....

Has anyone lived in Christian community???

There was also some misunderstanding on my part. I was thinking "COMMUNAL" living in the same home, and didn't think about living in a community. That would be entirely different from my experience. I do live in an RV in a park with other RV dwellers. Is that what you mean? I know many of the people here, and many of them call me by name. Some are friendly and some aren't. Many of us gathered together in a community building for an Easter day potluck.
 
Adullam said:
I believe that unless God directs one to a specific house, a Christian should move near the brethren. John

How does one go about finding out if the potential neighbors are Christian--go to everyone and ask? I found out that doesn't work. While out knocking on doors and witnessing years ago, I asked one woman "Are you a Christian?" Her reply was, "Of course! I'm an American." Many people's idea of what makes one a Christian doesn't jive with the Bible.
 
Jon-Marc, this verse comes to mind..

"Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it." Psalm 127:1
 
Jon-Marc said:
Adullam said:
I believe that unless God directs one to a specific house, a Christian should move near the brethren. John

How does one go about finding out if the potential neighbors are Christian--go to everyone and ask? I found out that doesn't work. While out knocking on doors and witnessing years ago, I asked one woman "Are you a Christian?" Her reply was, "Of course! I'm an American." Many people's idea of what makes one a Christian doesn't jive with the Bible.


The idea is that one locates where the disciples live....and move there...on purpose! There are many such groups ....Trinity foundation, Jesus army, Jesus people USA, etc.

But one need not move to the other end of the earth. Just move close to the brethren you already fellowship with. ;) :thumb
 
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