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It means I don't have to resort to insults in favor of what is writtenI have no interest in trying to determine doctrine from ten, separate, out-of-context selections from Paul's epistles. BTW, what is "a hollar"?
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It means I don't have to resort to insults in favor of what is writtenI have no interest in trying to determine doctrine from ten, separate, out-of-context selections from Paul's epistles. BTW, what is "a hollar"?
Nor does anyone else, but when you go to the "salad bar" of Scripture, taking a verse or two from here, a verse or two from there to try to prove a doctrine, it doesn't men much to those of us who know what Scripture actually says. Quoting Scripture in context is the only way to argue a point.It means I don't have to resort to insults in favor of what is written
This is what we are speaking about in Matthew 24 that we are seeing the increase in these last days. It's not the battle within, but literal as in Isaiah 14:12-15 as Satan overtaking the nations that will lead up to a one world government.We should all be very well aware by now that the battle transpires within
What kingdoms do you see? Those on the outside? Good luck with that angle
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Oh look honey. I think I located one of the kingdoms in question. Now let's find kingdom numero dos
Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Bingo, two kingdoms, the most obvious candidates, rising one against the other, transpiring where?
You have the location, if you have dominion over the adversary
We are justified by faith in Christ Jesus through God's free gift of grace, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Grace does not give us a license to sin, but when it is not willful sin God will forgive us.It will be a cold day in hell before Jesus justifies any sin in anyone
Do you not think that we have victory right now in Christ who has already overcome the world for us?There remains sin in the world, and the kingdom of Satan has not yet been set aside
Notions that an entire Capital V Victory has been secured is not true as to the final solution, which is the destruction of the devil and his messengers
We remain as John the Apostle noted:
1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Trumpeting about our Victory in Christ while wickedness envelopes the whole world is not cool
For us as God's children, of course, but likewise not "in full" at this pointDo you not think that we have victory right now in Christ who has already overcome the world for us?
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
I know you asked JLB this question, but I would also like to answer it.Temptations transpire within the mind, by the tempter
IF you claim the devil only tempts from the outside, you'll have to point the tempter out so we may see him
If I am not mistaken the OP is about literal world nations against nations that we see more and more throughout the world.For us as God's children, of course, but likewise not "in full" at this point
because, you see
the location of the tempter is between our own 2 ears
The scriptural math would indicate that God deals adversely with who?
That which is not us, in our own minds
You are certainly welcome to engage in a coverup, of sorts. Maybe even one of ignorance is bliss
However, Hebrews 10:22 IS a reality for all of us, and that includes the "evil conscience" courtesy of our enemy, the adversary
Not all nations are as they appear on the surface
There are only 2 nations gathered at Matt 25's account
Sheep nation, obviously people
and
Goat nation
NOW, given the obvious, which nation might be the "GOAT" nation?
There are also only 2 parties actually disclosed therein
Mankind
and
The devil and his messengers
Getting clearer yet, which Kingdom shall rise against which kingdom?
I know where I stand on this subject and would like nothing better than the permanent rub out of the latter party
even IF that separation happens to transpire between my own 2 ears
Oh, I see. You aren't tempted internally, but are tempted through other people who are tempted internally? Pardon my tongue in cheekThe tempter has always been Satan as he works through others to temp those who are Christ own, just as Jesus was tempted by Satan, Satan uses the Pharisee's to come against Him/us.
Obviously I do NOT see the nations and kingdoms apart from the devil and his messengers in any case of sights, and that puts us squarely into the unseen arena.If I am not mistaken the OP is about literal world nations against nations that we see more and more throughout the world.
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
If I am not mistaken the OP is about literal world nations against nations that we see more and more throughout the world.
We as a child of God need to have the mind of Christ so the tempter will not have victory over us. I believe we do have that in full if we are Christ own.
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
It's those Spiritual things from above that teaches us about the Luciferian kingdoms of this world so we are not deceived and caught up in them. I want to know the evil devices of Satan so I am not blindsided by him. This is why God gave us instruction so the thief will not steal our faith.Interesting choice of scripture to quote and highlight in Bold font there. Is not the affection of the OP itself concerning things on the earth? When you set your affections and studies on the "Luciferian" kingdoms of this world, then are you not setting you affections on things above, instead you show your affections to be concerning the things on the earth.
Not sure what you mean by tempted internally?Oh, I see. You aren't tempted internally, but are tempted through other people who are tempted internally? Pardon my tongue in cheek
And you think there were Pharisees present tempting Jesus in the wilderness? That's kind of a wild one as well
I agree and this is why nations are rising against nations because of the evil that exist in the hearts of those who are not God's own. We will see this full blown during the time of the New World Order when the son of perdition takes his seat in the ruling power of the whole world.God set before everyone, good and EVIL, life and death. We experience ALL of it
It's those Spiritual things from above that teaches us about the Luciferian kingdoms of this world so we are not deceived and caught up in them. I want to know the evil devices of Satan so I am not blindsided by him. This is why God gave us instruction so the thief will not steal our faith.
Do you only pick out the good tickle your ears part of the Bible as in a feel good message, or do you want to know all the warnings that are also given about our adversary. Me I want both.
Well, I hate to tell you this, but judgment "must" begin with us. And there is a reason for that.I agree and this is why nations are rising against nations because of the evil that exist in the hearts of those who are not God's own. We will see this full blown during the time of the New World Order when the son of perdition takes his seat in the ruling power of the whole world.
Unfortunately most believers are always looking on the outside of the cup for the boogeyman when it's the inside of the cup they should be looking atI believe Jesus was tempted by Satan himself as Jesus would recognize this fallen angel. We don't always know the adversary and that is why we study the scriptures to learn how to be aware of his devices.
Absolutely judgement starts with each individual as we need to examine our self that we are truly walking in the Spirit being pleasing to the Lord within all our mind, body and soul. God's wrath is not for His own, but those who reject Him as those whose names are not found written in the Lamb's book of life will also have there place with Satan being cast into the lake of fire on judgement day. We are not to fear what others can/will do to use for the sake of Christ in these times of nations rising up against nations as our soul is protected by Him, Matthew 10:28.Well, I hate to tell you this, but judgment "must" begin with us. And there is a reason for that.
You see, we are supposed to know that the tempter operates in our minds and in our lives, and in the lives of others, and we are actually supposed to look forward to that day when the devil and his messengers get sent to the flames.
We should technically be the first, standing in line for that purge. And no, this has not yet transpired, unless we live in some fairytale concoction.
Anyone who thinks they have received the purge just needs to think about it for a moment, after their most recent bout of temptations or deceptions. We often forget we only see "in part" and there is a reason for that as well, courtesy of the tempter.
Sooner or later the light will dawn. It just dawns at different times for everyone. Most, at their end.
As soon as the line forms, I will be rushing to it, to hear those Precious Words of God, "depart from me, I never knew you" and I know who God will be speaking to. Satan, the tempter.
Not me
That will be the day of my own division
Man will live by every Word of God. Emphasis. Live. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4
In fact, if I'm seeing correctly the wrath scriptures and the end time scriptures are very much my ally
Paul asked himself this question...
What if God is willing to show His Wrath
I might add, are we willing to receive it?
There is ample reason for it to happen, that's for sure
I understand wrath is not for me, but wrath is meant for the tempter and his own
All we have to do is recognize the location. Personally. And it all becomes crystal clear and quite interesting
From the beginning of Satan's fall from the garden of Eden we have wrestled against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. But if you read Ephesians 6:10-20 this is how we conquer the enemy that rules the nations.For us as God's children, of course, but likewise not "in full" at this point
because, you see
the location of the tempter is between our own 2 ears
The scriptural math would indicate that God deals adversely with who?
That which is not us, in our own minds
You are certainly welcome to engage in a coverup, of sorts. Maybe even one of ignorance is bliss
However, Hebrews 10:22 IS a reality for all of us, and that includes the "evil conscience" courtesy of our enemy, the adversary
Not all nations are as they appear on the surface
There are only 2 nations gathered at Matt 25's account
Sheep nation, obviously people
and
Goat nation
NOW, given the obvious, which nation might be the "GOAT" nation?
There are also only 2 parties actually disclosed therein
Mankind
and
The devil and his messengers
Getting clearer yet, which Kingdom shall rise against which kingdom?
I know where I stand on this subject and would like nothing better than the permanent rub out of the latter party
even IF that separation happens to transpire between my own 2 ears
Satan can only steal that from us for which we allow him to steal and below is the reason why in this parable of the sower. This is why nation (people), even now, is rising against nation (people) It's Spiritual warfare and the battle belongs to the Lord who gives us victory over the enemy. No one, especially Jesus, ever said it would be easy to walk in the footsteps of Christ, John 15:18-25.Unfortunately most believers are always looking on the outside of the cup for the boogeyman when it's the inside of the cup they should be looking at
Anytime I hear people claiming it's the other guy, the other sect, the other people, the other city, the other nations, I know immediately, they are
deceived
They should maybe look closer to home to find the source of the difficulties for everyone
Don't we know that Satan enters the heart to steal God's Words? Mark 4:15. Why then do we see only people, and never the adversary that blinds, binds and captures them? We're dealing with "invisible agents" here my friend.
Remember how Jesus sent out the disciples? I send you our as sheep in the midst of wolves. Did you think the wolves were other people? Be wise as SERPENTS. Did you think the other people were the serpents? Fraid not
After you read Mark 4:15, IF you hear a little voice in your head that says, "this doesn't happen to you because you're a believer" THAT, right there, is the voice of the deceiver in your own head
Don't we know that the whole world is blinded in mind by the god of this world? Acts 26:18, 2 Cor 4:4, Eph 2:2
Remember from whence you fell?
Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
WHO is THEM?
It should be crystal clear by now
The Kingdom of God will not be coming by external observations
Because the Lord sits in OUR TEMPLE, ready to take full vengeance on the usurpers
When that time comes
I'd like to think it's closer now, than before this thread started