Firstly, 'the personal application' is not interpretation.
Did you understand the part of my post about how God can make scripture a “rhema” word for us.
IOW God speaks to us through scripture.
Are you familiar with this?
JLB
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Firstly, 'the personal application' is not interpretation.
JLB,
I think you've missed some aspects of biblical interpretation. Firstly, 'the personal application' is not interpretation. It is application of the exposition of Scripture to one's own life, the church's life, or the life of the nation.
What about:
Oz
- Contextual interpretation, which examines the grammatical context instead of cherry-picking verses.
- Grammatical interpretation, which deals with the grammar and syntax of a passage.
- Historical interpretation, which recognises the importance of particular historical happenings that influence a passage of Scripture. Imagine trying to interpret the Book of Obadiah without the historical view that this involved conflict between Edom and the house of Jacob. Could we know the kind of crucifixion Jesus experienced without understanding the history of Roman crucifixion?
- Cultural interpretation, which seeks to understand the cultural influence on Scripture. In Scripture, we need to note the way of life (culture) of the Egyptians, Palestinians, and Greeks. These are not abstract ideas but specifics that deal with the idolatry, sorcery and other forms of worship of the living God.
Did you understand the part of my post about how God can make scripture a “rhema” word for us.
IOW God speaks to us through scripture.
Are you familiar with this?
JLB
JLB,
Of course I know about the 'rhema', which by the way is interchangeable with 'logos', and have written about it: The Rhema Barb and Its Poison: The Rhema vs. Logos Controversy.
God speaking through Scripture by personal application is not interpreting the biblical text, it is making personal application of what the text states.
However, one has to know how to properly interpret the biblical text. Otherwise, we get a 'rhema' that can be out of whack with the biblical teaching.
By the way, you didn't address what I wrote in #160.
Oz
Could you point out which one of these three facets of interpretation you disagree with in the following example.
The literal understanding of what the passage is saying.
- The direct interpretation:
Example: The Passover lamb.
A literal lamb was slain and roasted and eaten as the Lord commanded Moses concerning the children of Israel.
The Passover lamb prophetically pointed to Christ as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.
- The prophetic implication:
This is where the Lord speaks to us through the word, and it becomes a “rhema” word that God is saying to us, that we personally apply to our lives in that moment.
- The personal application:
Concerning the exodus and the Passover, the Lord May be showing us He is about to deliver us out of a hard place we are in and to follow carefully the specific instructions His Spirit is giving us.
JLB
I do not agree with the example you've given of 'the personal application'.
"This is where the Lord speaks to us through the word, and it becomes a “rhema” word that God is saying to us, that we personally apply to our lives in that moment.
Post # 161 & #162 is me addressing your post # 160.
JLB
I've seen some very sad experiences come out of this kind of allegorical interpretation when Scripture is made to say what is not in the text.
JLB,
No you didn't. You didn't address this from #160:
Oz
- Contextual interpretation, which examines the grammatical context instead of cherry-picking verses.
- Grammatical interpretation, which deals with the grammar and syntax of a passage.
- Historical interpretation, which recognises the importance of particular historical happenings that influence a passage of Scripture. Imagine trying to interpret the Book of Obadiah without the historical view that this involved conflict between Edom and the house of Jacob. Could we know the kind of crucifixion Jesus experienced without understanding the history of Roman crucifixion?
- Cultural interpretation, which seeks to understand the cultural influence on Scripture. In Scripture, we need to note the way of life (culture) of the Egyptians, Palestinians, and Greeks. These are not abstract ideas but specifics that deal with the idolatry, sorcery and other forms of worship of the living God.
Ok, how about the other two examples I gave?
Do you agree with them?
JLB
Ok, how about the other two examples I gave?
Do you agree with them?
JLB
I have too.
Never the less, it doesn’t mean the Holy Spirit can not speak to us through the scriptures, just because others may have not gotten it right.
JLB
JLB,
No you didn't. You didn't address this from #160:
Oz
- Contextual interpretation, which examines the grammatical context instead of cherry-picking verses.
- Grammatical interpretation, which deals with the grammar and syntax of a passage.
- Historical interpretation, which recognises the importance of particular historical happenings that influence a passage of Scripture. Imagine trying to interpret the Book of Obadiah without the historical view that this involved conflict between Edom and the house of Jacob. Could we know the kind of crucifixion Jesus experienced without understanding the history of Roman crucifixion?
- Cultural interpretation, which seeks to understand the cultural influence on Scripture. In Scripture, we need to note the way of life (culture) of the Egyptians, Palestinians, and Greeks. These are not abstract ideas but specifics that deal with the idolatry, sorcery and other forms of worship of the living God.
JLB,
When the 'Holy Spirit' is supposed to give a 'rhema' word, based on Scripture, and it's in error, who takes the blame?
I cannot find this 'rhema' approach to personal revelation in the Bible.
Oz
Do you have a specific question you would like to ask?
JLB
JLB,
I gave you a link to my article, The Rhema Barb and Its Poison: The Rhema vs. Logos Controversy. Didn't you read it?
This article demonstrates why I don't accept the 'rhema' theology as being biblical.
Oz
Why must you do this when you refuse to answer what I wrote?
Why must you do this when you refuse to answer what I wrote?
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