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NOTE - This is not an attack on christianity but a discussion on certain verses that should raise questions on the authenticity of Pauls apostlehood. The conclusions are reached not through personal opinion, but an evaluation of scripture itself.
Consider the words of Paul in his letter to the Ephesians...
Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus
- Ephesians 1:1
As some of you know, Ephesus was one of the seven churches located in Asia, according to the book of Revelations...
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
- Revelation 1:10,11
This is what was said to the church of Ephesus, the very church that Paul tried to witness to (as seen the the quote from Ephesians)
I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars.
- Revlations 2:2
Now here comes the best part....Paul writes that he was rejected by everybody in Asia! They did not accept what he taught!
This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me.
-2Timothy 1:15
Whats the big deal about all this, you ask?
Asia is where Ephesus was located! Ephesus rejected Paul and is being praised for testing 'those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars'.
You cant even say it was somebody other than Paul and his associates, who were found to be liars in Revelations 2:2, because...
a) Paul tried to witness to Ephesus
b) Paul himself says that he was rejected by Asia!
c) Ephesus is within Asia
Think!
The Ephesians did not accept Paul.
They were not rebuked in Revelations for doing so.
Rather they were being commended for doing so.
Discuss.
Consider the words of Paul in his letter to the Ephesians...
Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus
- Ephesians 1:1
As some of you know, Ephesus was one of the seven churches located in Asia, according to the book of Revelations...
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
- Revelation 1:10,11
This is what was said to the church of Ephesus, the very church that Paul tried to witness to (as seen the the quote from Ephesians)
I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars.
- Revlations 2:2
Now here comes the best part....Paul writes that he was rejected by everybody in Asia! They did not accept what he taught!
This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me.
-2Timothy 1:15
Whats the big deal about all this, you ask?
Asia is where Ephesus was located! Ephesus rejected Paul and is being praised for testing 'those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars'.
You cant even say it was somebody other than Paul and his associates, who were found to be liars in Revelations 2:2, because...
a) Paul tried to witness to Ephesus
b) Paul himself says that he was rejected by Asia!
c) Ephesus is within Asia
Think!
The Ephesians did not accept Paul.
They were not rebuked in Revelations for doing so.
Rather they were being commended for doing so.
Discuss.