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Predestination
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Being predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son is a result of salvation. God calls and justifies these people, whom He knew in advance would accept Christ.
But God's offer of salvation to all men is genuine, and "the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." Those who reject God's call do not do so because His call was hypocritical, designed to be impossible to accept. The Bible tells us that Jesus enlightens all men and draws all men to Himself. The Father teaches all men, drawing them to Christ.
Predestination, however, refers only to the two things that God does for those who accept Christ. He predestines them to be conformed to the image of His Son, and to be adopted as sons. There are no other types of predestination taught in Scripture.
But God's offer of salvation to all men is genuine, and "the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." Those who reject God's call do not do so because His call was hypocritical, designed to be impossible to accept. The Bible tells us that Jesus enlightens all men and draws all men to Himself. The Father teaches all men, drawing them to Christ.
Predestination, however, refers only to the two things that God does for those who accept Christ. He predestines them to be conformed to the image of His Son, and to be adopted as sons. There are no other types of predestination taught in Scripture.
A New Dawn
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Predestination is the first step to salvation.
Predestination --> Calling --> Justification --> Glorification
Romans 8:29-30
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coffeeelover
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IMHO no such thing as fate or destiny.
A New Dawn
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I agree with your assessment, Nick. It is not a salvational issue. It might alter the way we present the gospel, but it doesn't change our status with God.
Oats
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coffeeelover
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You must misunderstand the bible. I think we have free will. If destiny and fate are true then free will doesn't exist.
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coffeeelover
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Romans 8:38-39
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28155">38</sup>For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28156">39</sup>Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28155">38</sup>For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28156">39</sup>Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
A New Dawn
Member
Well, predestination is a Biblical truth, so I guess that means that free will doesn't exist. ;)
A New Dawn
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Romans 8:29-30
<table id="table_bible" class="table_bible" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr id="Rom_8_29_1054029"><td class="td_bible_verse_heading" valign="top" width="68" align="left">Rom 8:29</td> <td> </td> <td class="td_bible_text" valign="top">For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. </td></tr></tbody></table><table id="table_bible" class="table_bible" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr id="Rom_8_30_1054030"><td class="td_bible_verse_heading" valign="top" width="68" align="left">Rom 8:30</td> <td> </td> <td class="td_bible_text" valign="top">Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. </td></tr></tbody></table>
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coffeeelover
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If you want to believe that that's your prerogative, but with out free will life is meaningless, and destiny negates free will.
Pard
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You are totally wrong in this post... Without God life is meaningless. Go, read the Word. Feast on the manna that God so lovingly provides. Free will is not contradictory to predestination. You are thinking with a secular mind, leave that behind and use the Spirit God gave all His children who only but confess His Son.
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coffeeelover
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Well if your life is predestined, you can't chose a different path. If you can choose a different path it isn't predestined. They can't fit together. There is either destiny or free will.
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coffeeelover
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Can God create a Rock so heavy he can't lift it? Can God predestine your life and at the same time give you free will? Both are logically impossible questions and scenarios.
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coffeeelover
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coffeeelover
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Sure we can apply human logic to God. God cannot be self contradictory. That is why ridiculous questions like can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it have no merit. They are contradictory to themselves. Can God create a person with predetermined fate and free will at the same time? What? Can one chose a different fate than the one God predetermined? If you can than it isn't predetermined. If you can't you don't have free will.