Rapture and the Second Coming

[n2thelight]

Wanted to do a study on the fact that the rapture and the 2nd coming are one in the same event......It would have taken me awhile,as my computer is not working at home,I had to search for the truth........


When are we Caught Up?

Many Christians today have been led to believe that the rapture is a secret that occurs either before, after or in the middle of a seven year tribulation period. Firstly, the word rapture does not occur in the Bible and secondly, while scripture does speak of tribulation it does not say specifically how long it will be. And thirdly, nowhere is the Bible is the so called rapture spoken of as being secret. This entire theory was actually deliberately manufactured with the intention to deceive by a Jesuit name Francisco Ribera towards the end of the dark ages, and was intended to take the attention of the true identity of Antichrist. The purpose of this document is to reveal that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is actually a description of the second coming of our Lord, and that it is then that those who have been truly faithful will be caught up.


Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4 NKJV, “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.”

In the above passage we see Jesus come down from heaven, faithful believers being caught up together, and then sudden destruction coming upon the lost. Everything in this passage takes place on “that day,” which is “the day of the Lord.” These words are found near the end of Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul also wrote a second letter to these same Christians, which taught precisely the same thing. Thus in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 we find he wrote to them a second time about “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.” (Note how this is a perfect parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).


And in the chapter before this being chapter one, Paul wrote about this same gathering together. After describing the “persecutions and tribulations” which these early believers where enduring Paul said, “And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.” 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 NKJV.


Careful comparisons reveal that all three passages, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1 describe the very same day when Jesus Christ comes down from heaven, when His faithful people are gathered together, and when sudden destruction comes upon the lost.

It becomes very clear when all three passages are compared that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3-2, Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2:1 all describe the same event of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that He is coming with a shout, a voice, a trumpet, with His angels and in flaming fire to catch up all true believers and to destroy the lost.


Please read complete study at the below link



http://www.the-rapture.net/

 

[JLB]

Wanted to do a study on the fact that the rapture and the 2nd coming are one in the same event......It would have taken me awhile,as my computer is not working at home,I had to search for the truth........


When are we Caught Up?

Many Christians today have been led to believe that the rapture is a secret that occurs either before, after or in the middle of a seven year tribulation period. Firstly, the word rapture does not occur in the Bible and secondly, while scripture does speak of tribulation it does not say specifically how long it will be. And thirdly, nowhere is the Bible is the so called rapture spoken of as being secret. This entire theory was actually deliberately manufactured with the intention to deceive by a Jesuit name Francisco Ribera towards the end of the dark ages, and was intended to take the attention of the true identity of Antichrist. The purpose of this document is to reveal that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is actually a description of the second coming of our Lord, and that it is then that those who have been truly faithful will be caught up.


Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4 NKJV, “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.â€

In the above passage we see Jesus come down from heaven, faithful believers being caught up together, and then sudden destruction coming upon the lost. Everything in this passage takes place on “that day,†which is “the day of the Lord.†These words are found near the end of Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul also wrote a second letter to these same Christians, which taught precisely the same thing. Thus in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 we find he wrote to them a second time about “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.†(Note how this is a perfect parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).


And in the chapter before this being chapter one, Paul wrote about this same gathering together. After describing the “persecutions and tribulations†which these early believers where enduring Paul said, “And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.†2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 NKJV.


Careful comparisons reveal that all three passages, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1 describe the very same day when Jesus Christ comes down from heaven, when His faithful people are gathered together, and when sudden destruction comes upon the lost.

It becomes very clear when all three passages are compared that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3-2, Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2:1 all describe the same event of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that He is coming with a shout, a voice, a trumpet, with His angels and in flaming fire to catch up all true believers and to destroy the lost.


Please read complete study at the below link



http://www.the-rapture.net/

 

[Sinthesis]

So then what is the true identity of Antichrist?

 

[reba]

So then what is the true identity of Antichrist?

According to Scripture or man?

 

[JLB]

So then what is the true identity of Antichrist?

He will identified as the one who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

He will be identified as the lawless one who is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth...

He will be identified as the one who shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.


Finally, he will be identified as the one who is destroyed by Jesus Christ when He returns - the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.


JLB

 

[Deborah13]

I agree that all three are describing the same event and that it is the Second Coming.

It will only be like a thief in the night for those who are not excepting Him to come. It is not a secret to us who are excepting and stay ready to go. Keep your suitcase packed (just an expression ).

 

[Sinthesis]

So then what is the true identity of Antichrist?

According to Scripture or man?

Exactly!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So I take it this is a pro post trib meeting.
Have fun.

 

[JLB]

So I take it this is a pro post trib meeting.
Have fun.

Do you believe the identity that is described in post 5, is describing the identity of the antichrist.

It's all scripture.


JLB

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

He will identified as the one who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. He will be identified as the lawless one who is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth... He will be identified as the one who shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Finally, he will be identified as the one who is destroyed by Jesus Christ when He returns - the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

What makes people so sure that 2 Thessalonians 2 references an end times antichrist when it makes no such claim? It's rather amazing that people so blindly link 1 John to 2 Thessalonians as if they speak of the same individual. 1 John, the only text that actually mentions antichrist specifies that antichrist were around 2000 years ago and were those who were once of the number of believers that had began to say Jesus was not the Christ and were trying to lead the believers astray. 2 Thessalonians talks about the Man of Sin and doesn't in any way reference what was discussed about antichrists. The only commonality is that they both speak of individuals that fell away.

 

[JLB]

He will identified as the one who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. He will be identified as the lawless one who is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth... He will be identified as the one who shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Finally, he will be identified as the one who is destroyed by Jesus Christ when He returns - the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

What makes people so sure that 2 Thessalonians 2 references an end times antichrist when it makes no such claim? It's rather amazing that people so blindly link 1 John to 2 Thessalonians as if they speak of the same individual. 1 John, the only text that actually mentions antichrist specifies that antichrist were around 2000 years ago and were those who were once of the number of believers that had began to say Jesus was not the Christ and were trying to lead the believers astray. 2 Thessalonians talks about the Man of Sin and doesn't in any way reference what was discussed about antichrists. The only commonality is that they both speak of individuals that fell away.

Call him what you like.

Man of sin.

Son of perdition.

Lawless one.

Antichrist.

Heres what we do know about 2 Thessalonians 2:

It concerns the Day of Christ when He returns.

It concerns Him Coming and gathering His people.

It concerns a man of sin who goes to the Temple of God and exalts himself as God.

It concerns Jesus returning and personally destroying him.


It you have something to add to this, then please share.


JLB

 

[reba]

Call him what you like.

How about using the Biblical term

 

[JLB]

Call him what you like.

How about using the Biblical term

Please, do share with me which one of these I listed is not a biblical term -

Man of sin.

Son of perdition.

Lawless one.

Antichrist.


JLB

 

[n2thelight]

He will identified as the one who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. He will be identified as the lawless one who is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth... He will be identified as the one who shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Finally, he will be identified as the one who is destroyed by Jesus Christ when He returns - the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

What makes people so sure that 2 Thessalonians 2 references an end times antichrist when it makes no such claim? It's rather amazing that people so blindly link 1 John to 2 Thessalonians as if they speak of the same individual. 1 John, the only text that actually mentions antichrist specifies that antichrist were around 2000 years ago and were those who were once of the number of believers that had began to say Jesus was not the Christ and were trying to lead the believers astray. 2 Thessalonians talks about the Man of Sin and doesn't in any way reference what was discussed about antichrists. The only commonality is that they both speak of individuals that fell away.

“Anti†is word 473 in your Strong’s Concordance and it means “opposite†or “instead". Instead of what? Instead of “Christ†(5547: anointed, the Messiah). So we need to understand there will be a false messiah who appears first "instead" of Jesus Christ…

The antichrist (not the "type" as spoken of in John) will not be born in the flesh. The antichrist is a supernatural being who will be kicked out of heaven onto earth by Michael the archangel. The antichrist will claim to be Jesus Christ. The antichrist is Satan himself.

This is the deception both Christ and Paul warned us about,satan pretending to be Christ.....

II Thessalonians 2:3
3 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;â€

What day shall not come? The day of the Lord, His return, shall not happen until there is a falling away and the "man of sin", the "son of perdition" is revealed.

What is this falling away? “Falling away†is Strong’s word 646 and it means “defection from truth.†Now who is this "son of perdition"? It is none other than Satan himself! “Perdition†means to "perish", to "die". Satan is the only entity that has been condemned to death by name, Ezekiel 28:18-19, Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 20:10. Who is the "man of sin"? It is Satan

Revelation 12:9
9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.â€

The angels that are cast out with him,are the 7000 that will die instantly at the return of Christ

 

[reba]

Call him what you like.

How about using the Biblical term

Please, do share with me which one of these I listed is not a biblical term -

Man of sin.

Son of perdition.

Lawless one.

Antichrist.


JLB

What i was trying to say is more like use the term the Bible uses where the Bible uses it... We see 'beast' in The Revelation We find antichrist in the 'little books of John"

 

[Brother Mike]

Many Christians today have been led to believe that the rapture is a secret that occurs either before, after or in the middle of a seven year tribulation period. Firstly, the word rapture does not occur in the Bible and secondly,

I got to this point, was sounding good but if the foundation is cracked so is the whole thing. Go back and pay attention this time. Not good enough!!!!

1Th 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur (Where we get the English Word Rapture!!!!) cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
Joh_20:20 So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture).

So I take it this is a pro post trib meeting.
Have fun.

No need to fear, they have the same old broken arguments and twisting of Greek and blatant ignoring of other scriptures.

II Thessalonians 2:3
3 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

I can see like JLB your having issues with Greek words. This is the correct translation of that since "Falling away" has thrown you.

WEB:
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you

What is this falling away? “Falling away” is Strong’s word 646 and it means “defection from truth.” Now who is this "son of perdition"? It is none

No, the Greek word is Apostasia, it's a female noun and can't denote falling away from any truth. A female noun can't define itself in the Greek. It's made of two compound words Apo and hestmi. It means to leave a previous standing from something. Strongs, thayer are Greek dictionaries to give a word a context in connection with how the Word was used.

It was used first in Acts.................. They forsake (Apostasia) Moses Teachings.

Here the female noun Is connected to the male noun (Moses) They departed from Moses by which they previously stood.

A Greek Female noun can not act as one of the 4 Greek verbs. It can't define itself at all. Apostasia does not mean deflection from what is true. Here is the actual real Greek meaning.

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

Paul would have used the Verb if The Holy Spirit meant some Apostasy in the church. The church will fall and deflect from what is true, then the son of perdition is revealed.

The Holy Spirit did not use a Verb......................

parapiptō
par-ap-ip'-to
From G3844 and G4098; to fall aside, that is, (figuratively) to apostatize: - fall away.

Is a Greek Verb that does mean a action of leaving the truth.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The whole Greek article is about the coming of the Lord Jesus for us. We depart first, then the son of perdition is revealed. Nowhere in Paul's writings had Paul ever mentioned some deflection of truth from the Church. Paul never said that, it's made up by the post trib camp and it's shameful.

Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Paul's faith was that the church was not going to fail in prayer after prayer and it takes a post tribber to make stuff up and change Paul's heart and his faith in prayer toward the church... Amazing.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Paul just told us, the Church is in the way, and the gates of Hell can not prevail. We have to leave so the light of the world is gone.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The antichrist (not the "type" as spoken of in John) will not be born in the flesh. The antichrist is a supernatural being who will be kicked out of heaven onto earth by Michael the archangel. The antichrist will claim to be Jesus Christ. The antichrist is Satan himself.

where is that scripture?? REV 12???

More amazing ignoring of scriptures by the post trib camp, blatant disregard for any type of study and just shameful that I have to drag you all with me when the Lord comes. what am I to tell him?

Rapture not in the bible.................. Give me a break a weak attempt, not even some effort here.

I know you all can do better!!!! I am believing for you!!!

Mike.

 

[n2thelight]

Brother Mike

Originally Posted by n2thelight
What is this falling away? “Falling away” is Strong’s word 646 and it means “defection from truth.” Now who is this "son of perdition"? It is none

No, the Greek word is Apostasia, it's a female noun and can't denote falling away from any truth. A female noun can't define itself in the Greek. It's made of two compound words Apo and hestmi. It means to leave a previous standing from something. Strongs, thayer are Greek dictionaries to give a word a context in connection with how the Word was used.

It was used first in Acts.................. They forsake (Apostasia) Moses Teachings.

Here the female noun Is connected to the male noun (Moses) They departed from Moses by which they previously stood.

A Greek Female noun can not act as one of the 4 Greek verbs. It can't define itself at all. Apostasia does not mean deflection from what is true. Here is the actual real Greek meaning.

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

Don't know where you get your definitions from,but here's where I get mine.....

Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "falling away": 646. apostasia ap-os-tas-ee'-ah feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):--falling away, forsake​

apos·ta·sy

noun \ə-ˈpäs-tə-sē\
plural apos·ta·sies








Definition of APOSTASY

1
: renunciation of a religious faith

2
: abandonment of a previous loyalty :

That was from Websters

Apostasy (/əˈpɒstəsi/; Greek: ἀποστασία (apostasia), 'a defection or revolt') is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy (or who apostatises) is known as an apostate.

That's from Wiki

Apostasy [N](Heb. mesubaa [h'bWv.m]; Gk. parapipto [parapivptw], aphistemi [ajfivsthmi], apostasia [ajpostasiva]). Defection from the faith, an act of unpardonable rebellion against God and his truth. The sin of apostasy results in the abandonment of Christian doctrine and conduct.

And that's from Bible study tools....Anyway ,you get the point!!!!!

 

[ezrider]

When I read 2Thes:2, I don't see a connection to a Rapture. 2Thes2 reads more like the process of being born again. I believed the law, and was ruled by the law, but the law pointed out to me that I was the man of sin, I was the son of perdition, set for destruction. The law convinced me of that. To me, the falling away first is like having the veil between flesh and spirit rent, and and the works of the law in the flesh are destroyed at his coming. It is a resurrection of spirit in Christ. Its like one of the parables: except the seed fall in the ground and die, it cannot bring forth good fruit. Is that not the workings of Satan, to bring us to this death, that through Christ we might live.

And if this passage points to some final rapture event, why would God then send strong delusion so that they would believe a lie, because they had not the love of the truth in them?

 

[Brother Mike]

Apostasy [N](Heb. mesubaa [h'bWv.m]; Gk. parapipto [parapivptw], aphistemi [ajfivsthmi], apostasia [ajpostasiva]). Defection from the faith, an act of unpardonable rebellion against God and his truth. The sin of apostasy results in the abandonment of Christian doctrine and conduct.

And that's from Bible study tools....Anyway ,you get the point!!!!!

OK................. Your looking for a verb here. Parapipto is the Greek verb that means an action. There are 4 types of Greek verbs in this case it means to fall aside from truth or off the right path.

Apostasia is a Female Greek noun. There are male nouns, Neuter nouns and Female nouns.

A wall could be a Male noun, the Door a female noun and floor would be neuter noun. If there was a room full of doors all being female nouns and I told you to go through the door, then You would need to know which side of the room to go through As Door does not denote a thing being a female noun.

Faith (Pistis) is also a female noun. Someone can say they have faith but faith in what? You can also have little faith, or faith in that it will rain today. Being a female noun it can't define itself.

Apostasia is not a verb, it is a female noun. It means to depart from a previous standing. Depart from what?

Why do you want to make Apostasia a verb? Why do you Ignore simple Greek language? I told you the two root Greek words it was made from, neither mean deflecting from the Truth or the English Verb Apostasy.

It's people like you that take a Greek word like Aionios and make it a noun because it just suits you. Aion is the male noun meaning a starting age and ending age. Aionios is a Greek Adjective, meaning that it needs to be defined in the article normally before. Aionios has a meaning unless defined being a Greek adjective. It meas continue on unless defined.

So its your type that ignore the Greek language and make Hell a imaginary place disregarding the way Aionios is used and the fact it's a Greek Adjective. People like you also ignore the Greek expression eis Aion Aion meaning age upon age upon age...........Forever.......... removing hell.

The definition I gave you was Strongs Actual Greek, the part you gave me was the dictionary. You pick a dictionary and disregard the fact that Apostasia can't be an action verb but must be defined in what it departed from. It refers back to the Greek Article "Jesus and our coming together to him............ departure"

You also Ignored how the Word was used in Acts...... They apostasia from Moses or left Moses from previous standing with him.

The compound Verb in Apostasia is "APO" It means to depart from. It was used 15 times in the NT, Only 3 times to mean departing from something true........... The word itself just means to depart.

From a Greek study, guys that know more than I do about Greek.

"It is with full assurance of proper exegetical study and with complete confidence in the original languages," "that the word meaning of apostasia is defined as departure." Paul Lee Tan adds the following:

What precisely does Paul mean when he says that "the falling away" (2:3) must come before the tribulation? The definite article "the" denotes that this will be a definite event, an event distinct from the appearance of the Man of Sin. The Greek word for "falling away," taken by itself, does not mean religious apostasy or defection.

And that's from Bible study tools....Anyway ,you get the point!!!!!

Which are just dictionaries................... I gave you the Strongs actually Greek, not the dictionary........... You do know the difference right?

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

Besides if you actually studied you would have questioned how the Heck can a Greek female noun define what it departed from? Seriously you would have asked yourself that right?

You ignored how the Word was used in Acts..............................WHY???

So a few questions before I continue to waste my time here.

1) Why do you ignore the Greek language, Ignore the Word the Holy Spirit used, and make a Female noun out to be a Verb? Why do you do that?

2) What other words do you just ignore. You believe in eternal hell right? Or is hell just some trash fire that burned out long ago?

3) If Paul meant the church falling away from the truth, then Where is another scripture that denotes the church will do that? Surely you would not disobey the Word and take one scripture for a private interpretation to make some doctrine out of it........ Right?

4) Why did you Ignore how Apostasia was used Acts? It should have been a clue on how to use it in Thess........

5) why do you spout (dictionaries) and not actual Greek to prove a point............ You know the purpose of Bible dictionaries don't you? Yes or no?

Example.... Here is the dictionary for God.................. Thayer.

Theos..........
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity

You do realize that Theos in Greek means none of that, it's a dictionary for clarification based on someones doctrine........... James Strong did not believe in Trinity so He gave a different meaning, more close to the Greek.

The antichrist is a supernatural being who will be kicked out of heaven onto earth by Michael the archangel. The antichrist will claim to be Jesus Christ. The antichrist is Satan himself.

I want this scripture...................The place where the (AC) will claim to be Jesus Christ............ Jesus only warned about those that say they are anointed, not the flesh man Jesus, but those claiming to be like him with the power of God........... SCRIPTURE!!!!! did you just day dream this one up also?


Answer the questions...... I want to know what and who I am dealing with that would be so blatant to ignore scripture to make up stuff........ (Michael kicks the AC out of heaven) Can't tell the difference between a noun or verb, and if it was a verb would take one scripture for private interpretation when we are suppose to compare here a little and there a little with like things.

What is your game? What doctrine are you trying to prove here?

Mike.

 

[n2thelight]

@ Mike,you stay with your definition from your source I shall stay with mine

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646. apostasia​

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apostasia: defection, revolt​

Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: defection, apostasy
Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt.

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

Word Origin
from aphistémi
Definition
defection, revolt
NASB Translation
apostasy (1), forsake (1).

STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία

ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; ((Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 2 Chronicles 33:19); Jeremiah 2:19; Jeremiah 3629) 32 Complutensian; 1 Macc. 2:15). The earlier Greeks say ἀπόστασις; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24).


As for hell,No I don't believe in eternal torture

Mike

I want this scripture................... did you just day dream this one up also?


Answer the questions...... I want to know what and who I am dealing with that would be so blatant to ignore scripture to make up stuff........ (Michael kicks the AC out of heaven) Can't tell the difference between a noun or verb, and if it was a verb would take one scripture for private interpretation when we are suppose to compare here a little and there a little with like things.

What is your game? What doctrine are you trying to prove here?

Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you don't know that the antichrist is satan,you want get it,but thats not my problem...Anyway what does he do when he gets here

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Jesus Christ is not gathering anyone to Him, nor is He coming here to earth, except there be a falling away first. The word for "falling away", in the Greek is "apostasy". Jesus told us in His revelation to John, in Revelation 9:11, that "Apollyon" is one of Satan's names, and this name is derived from the word apostasy.

The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."