Christ builds the church on the apostles not himself! Eph 2:20
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Of course Peter was the first in a long line.
This iis the reason Jesus gave Peter the keys. The sign of authority.
This is the reason Peter is always name first in any list of the Apostles and Judas is always listed last.
Whose church do you think Jesus meant by MY CHURCH?
Jesus went back to heaven,,,,His church got started here on earth.
The Holy Spirit uses people to do His work.
He doesn't turn into a human and do the works Himself.
James ended up in Jerusalem and Peter ended up in Rome.
When one of the 5 Papi (popes) had a problem with doctrine they turned to Peter for calification because HE was the only one of the 5 that knew Jesus.
This is how the Pope's office ended up being in Rome -
The papacy as we know it today began in about the 4th or 5th century.
there is no good evidence that the catholic church (aka the mary worshippers church) is the apostolic church. none whatsoever.
change my mind.
Mary cannot be worshipped.
Only God.
Study some history.
What denomination was around back then?
How about you convince Don and myself that we're wrong?
Actually anything "can" be worshipped. Of course only God SHOULD be worshipped.
Trick question. You dont need to be in a "denomination". you can be a labelless Christian, just going by God's Words.
source?
Yeah.Actually anything "can" be worshipped. Of course only God SHOULD be worshipped.
Trick question. You dont need to be in a "denomination". you can be a labelless Christian, just going by God's Words.
That's what I'm doing.
But it's not ideal.
The ideal is to belong to a good church.
I don't know KV
I'm not a scholar, with sources at the tip of my tongue.
You don't trust me?
I'll look around.
I'm going to post the following, but it's not what I was looking for...
History of the Papacy
For the history of the Catholic Church in general, see timeline and history. See also, Catholic Ecumenical Councils. The History of the Papacy is the history of both the spiritual and temporal roles of the popes over a timespan of over 2,000 years from the arrival of Peter in Rome to the present...
KV-44-v1
This is in line with the history of the early church.
There's more if you wish to study it a little.
Of the three sees that the First Council of Nicaea was to recognize as having such extraprovincial power, Rome is the one for which records are most available. The church in Rome intervened in other communities to help resolve conflicts.[10] Pope Clement I did so in Corinth in the end of the 1st century.[11] In the beginning of the 2nd century, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, speaks of the Church of Rome as "presiding in the region of the Romans" (ἥτις προκάθηται ἐν τόπῳ χωρίου Ῥωμαίων).[11] In the end of that century, Pope Victor I threatened to excommunicate the Eastern bishops who continued to celebrate Easter on 14 Nisan, not on the following Sunday.[12]
en.wikipedia.org
This is in line with the history of the early church.
There's more if you wish to study it a little.
Development towards the Pentarchy[edit]
Early Christianity[edit]
In the Apostolic Age (largely the 1st century) the Christian Church comprised an indefinite number of local churches that in the initial years looked to the first church at Jerusalem as its main centre and point of reference. But by the 4th century it had developed a system whereby the bishop of the capital of each civil province (the metropolitan bishop) normally held certain rights over the bishops of the other cities of the province (later called suffragan bishops).[9]Of the three sees that the First Council of Nicaea was to recognize as having such extraprovincial power, Rome is the one for which records are most available. The church in Rome intervened in other communities to help resolve conflicts.[10] Pope Clement I did so in Corinth in the end of the 1st century.[11] In the beginning of the 2nd century, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, speaks of the Church of Rome as "presiding in the region of the Romans" (ἥτις προκάθηται ἐν τόπῳ χωρίου Ῥωμαίων).[11] In the end of that century, Pope Victor I threatened to excommunicate the Eastern bishops who continued to celebrate Easter on 14 Nisan, not on the following Sunday.[12]
Pentarchy - Wikipedia
God is not about a man's religion nor does He recognize any organized religion whether it's Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, UCC, The Kingdom Hall, LDS or whatever name one wants to give to their religion. This is why there are over 5000 different religions in the world as man walks after their own doctrines neglecting the true doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught and inspired the Apostles to write in their letters to the true Church of Christ being the body of Christ with He being the head of the body.
The Scriptures themselves bear evidence to man's influence.
Paul had to write to the church in Corinth for straying from the truth.
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all [d]speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 NKJV
Paul also had to do the same to the church in Galatia.
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:6-7 NKJV
Even Peter strayed and Paul had to admonish him.
Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
Galatians 2:11-14 NKJV
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
We are not built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets alone, but by that which God gave the apostles and prophets to write that are the words that Christ taught them first and inspired them to write these letters to all that form the body of Christ with Christ Jesus being the head/foundation of our faith in Him by God's grace.
Tenchi
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Please read verse 20 more carefully. Do you not know what it means for Christ to be the Chief Cornerstone?
Tenchi
Member
This doesn't deal with anything I pointed out. It just contradicts, ignores and parrots R.C. doctrine. This is not at all a persuasive or thoughtful response to my post.
Tenchi
Member
*Sigh* Uh huh.
The Church By Christ Jesus (Eph 3:21) was around.
Christ, the Son of God, was the corner stone.
Everything else was laid out with Jesus as the base.
