Stars of Heaven

[sdktlk]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Matthew 24:29 - “[FONT=Georgia, serif]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Mark 13:24-25 - “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Revelation 6:12-14 - “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†(Rev 6:12-14)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]What is meant by these Scriptures? Are the stars the literal stars in the sky, or do they symbolically stand from somethings or some ones?
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[Sinthesis]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Matthew 24:29 - “[FONT=Georgia, serif]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Mark 13:24-25 - “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Revelation 6:12-14 - “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†(Rev 6:12-14)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]What is meant by these Scriptures? Are the stars the literal stars in the sky, or do they symbolically stand from somethings or some ones?
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The stars are literally some ones.

 

[Lehigh3]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Matthew 24:29 - “[FONT=Georgia, serif]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Mark 13:24-25 - “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Revelation 6:12-14 - “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†(Rev 6:12-14)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]What is meant by these Scriptures? Are the stars the literal stars in the sky, or do they symbolically stand from somethings or some ones?
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Stars are literal & "stars" are used prophetically or figuratively. In fact, the sun, moon & stars are prophetic terms also & from the OT, we can compare its uses.

These are prophetically symbols of authority in society, both political & religious. The sun denotes the chief authority (the "Sun" will rise with healing in His wings-Mal.4) the moon the next authority & the stars are the nobles. (see Gen.37:5-10 for its original meaning) Nowhere is this made clear than in Dan8:10 & how Antiochus E. took some of the "stars" from heaven (the faithful of Israel)
Stars falling from heaven denote the destruction of nobility. Stars, moon & sun not giving their light denotes authorities having their rule taken away.(Mt.24:30)
It goes on with other apocalyptic & prophetic language about stars & cosmic earth eruptions in hyperbolic expressions of the prophets in Revelation.

 

[sdktlk]

The stars are literally some ones.

If these stars are some ones can we take this a step further and try and discover who these some ones are through the Scriptures.

One thing that has to be remembered is that these stars are "in heaven," therefore they cannot be any "earthly" ones.

 

[Sam21]

In the bible a star meant any light in the sky that was not the sun or moon, it was also used to describe angels at times. The stars falling at the end of the age could be what we call meteorites or it could be the angels being cast down to the earth.

 

[warhorse]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Matthew 24:29 - “[FONT=Georgia, serif]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Mark 13:24-25 - “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Revelation 6:12-14 - “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]and the [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]stars[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†(Rev 6:12-14)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]What is meant by these Scriptures? Are the stars the literal stars in the sky, or do they symbolically stand from somethings or some ones?
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i believe it represents a literal meteor shower, simular events are described over and over in relation to the day of the lord.

 

[Alabaster]

i believe it represents a literal meteor shower, simular events are described over and over in relation to the day of the lord.

 

[Hitch]

i believe it represents a literal meteor shower, simular events are described over and over in relation to the day of the lord.

Meteors are not stars

 

[Sinthesis]

If these stars are some ones can we take this a step further and try and discover who these some ones are through the Scriptures.

One thing that has to be remembered is that these stars are "in heaven," therefore they cannot be any "earthly" ones.

Yes, we can.

That depends entirely on what is meant by 'in heaven' and what you mean by 'earthly'.

 

[jasoncran]

Meteors are not stars

the planet(s) formerly called pluto and her moon are called planetoid and also no much bigger then some meteors. i believe pheobe and phobos the moons of mars are considered meteors that were captured by martian gravity.

i think warhorse means that the stars falling from the sky is idea. most people say oh look at falling star not a meteor coming in. Though we know the later is true.

 

[sdktlk]

Yes, we can.

That depends entirely on what is meant by 'in heaven' and what you mean by 'earthly'.

Establishing a star as a symbol : “[FONT=Georgia, serif]I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.†(Num 24:17) We know this references the Lord Jesus Christ symbolically.[/FONT]

We see the Lord establish stars as the leaders, the messengers of God's children when He said, "...[FONT=Georgia, serif]The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches...â€[/FONT]

In heaven points to a spiritual position with respect to where God's sees us a per the Lord's words when He said to Nicodemas, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (Jn 3:12-13)

We know, physically, the Lord was walking on the planet, but, spiritually, He was in heaven at all times. This is also set forth by His words, "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Mat 4:17) At hand means " to make near, that is, (reflexively) approach: - approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh." By this we see that wherever the Lord Jesus was, there was "the kingdom of heaven" on earth.

We, as born again Christians, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." (Eph 2:5-6)

Therefore, the only stars that can "fall from heaven" are those who are born again and should be sitting in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. But, by the Word of the Lord, we discover that ALL the stars, the leaders, the shepherds of God's children, fall to the earth. Rather than being spiritually minded they have become carnally minded, that is earthy minded. And we know, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." (Rom 8:6)

What I mean by cannot be earthly, is that these stars are not any ones or anything which has never been born again. As they, in the Eyes of the Lord, could never have been seen as being "in heaven."

 

[Sinthesis]

Establishing a star as a symbol : “[FONT=Georgia, serif]I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.†(Num 24:17) We know this references the Lord Jesus Christ symbolically.[/FONT]

We see the Lord establish stars as the leaders, the messengers of God's children when He said, "...[FONT=Georgia, serif]The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches...â€[/FONT]

In heaven points to a spiritual position with respect to where God's sees us a per the Lord's words when He said to Nicodemas, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (Jn 3:12-13)

We know, physically, the Lord was walking on the planet, but, spiritually, He was in heaven at all times. This is also set forth by His words, "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Mat 4:17) At hand means " to make near, that is, (reflexively) approach: - approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh." By this we see that wherever the Lord Jesus was, there was "the kingdom of heaven" on earth.

We, as born again Christians, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." (Eph 2:5-6)

Therefore, the only stars that can "fall from heaven" are those who are born again and should be sitting in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. But, by the Word of the Lord, we discover that ALL the stars, the leaders, the shepherds of God's children, fall to the earth. Rather than being spiritually minded they have become carnally minded, that is earthy minded. And we know, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." (Rom 8:6)

What I mean by cannot be earthly, is that these stars are not any ones or anything which has never been born again. As they, in the Eyes of the Lord, could never have been seen as being "in heaven."

Slow down. You are constrained by your own particular point of view here.

Read Lehigh3's post for a general outline of the relationships (not their interpretation of the identities) between the stars, earth, and that particular heaven. The relationships are more important than the particular identities because they illustrate the principles through which the original identities can be known and resultant lessons applied to our own situations.

Jdg 5:20 - They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.​

OT stars!

 

[sdktlk]

Slow down. You are constrained by your own particular point of view here.

Read Lehigh3's post for a general outline of the relationships (not their interpretation of the identities) between the stars, earth, and that particular heaven. The relationships are more important than the particular identities because they illustrate the principles through which the original identities can be known and resultant lessons applied to our own situations.

Jdg 5:20 - They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.​

OT stars!

No constraints to any particular point of view. The stars that we are looking at are NT stars. Therefore, we must see what the spiritual NT, not the natural OT, significance is. If we only use what the Lord has said with respect to stars in Revelation 1:20, and couple that with a second witness in Jude, "certain men...ungodly men...(v.4)...Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." (v.13)

Further more, if we do use the reference in Judges 5:20 it is a victory song of Deborah and Barak with regard to how the stars, the leaders of God's people, had gotten the victory. So, even in that case, we see it is referring to people.

These two witnesses give us the understanding that stars point to humans associated with the assembly, that is the Church. We see it written, "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1Cor 2:13)

Furthermore, even if we did use the reference out of Judges 5:20 we see that it is a victory song sung be Deborah and Barak regarding how the stars, the leaders of God's people, had gotten the victory over the enemy. It too is a reference to people.

 

[warhorse]

Meteors are not stars

Thanks hitch.. still trolling i see.

 

[Hitch]

the planet(s) formerly called pluto and her moon are called planetoid and also no much bigger then some meteors. i believe pheobe and phobos the moons of mars are considered meteors that were captured by martian gravity.

And I like biscuits and gravy , which has as much connection to the subject as martian moons. The Apacalypse is not about astronomy . The lesser light of the political entitiy of ancient Israel is going out, her time if judgement,as Christ personally predicted, for the crime of regicide is come;

3For now they shall say, We have no king, because we feared not the LORD; what then should a king do to us?
4They have spoken words, swearing falsely in making a covenant: thus judgment springeth up as hemlock in the furrows of the field.
5The inhabitants of Samaria shall fear because of the calves of Bethaven: for the people thereof shall mourn over it, and the priests thereof that rejoiced on it, for the glory thereof, because it is departed from it.
6It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.
7As for Samaria, her king is cut off as the foam upon the water.
8The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.



They shouted 'We have no king but Caesar' and next they will cry for the moutains to cover them from the face of the vengeful God.
Israel will vanish like the drawing of a house thats been rolled up , the restraints are removed from the four corners and the paper rolls in on itself, the picture is gone.

 

[warhorse]

And I like biscuits and gravy , which has as much connection to the subject as martian moons. The Apacalypse is not about astronomy .

i think warhorse means that the stars falling from the sky is idea. most people say oh look at falling star not a meteor coming in. Though we know the later is true.

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Theres more but who has that much time
nahum 1v 2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
4 He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the ROCKS are thrown down by him.
7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them

Joshua10v8
And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear them not: for I have delivered them into thine hand; there shall not a man of them stand before thee.
9 Joshua therefore came unto them suddenly, and went up from Gilgal all night.
10 And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Rev 6v
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Isaiah 34v
1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the FIG TREE.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Rev 8
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


Rev 18v21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

 

[savedbygrace57]

I believe in those two context the stars are literial stars..

 

[sdktlk]

I believe in those two context the stars are literial stars..

Sis, we know as logical human beings that the earth cannot withstand even a fairly large meteor, much less a star. They are symbols. The whole of the Book of Revelation is in symbols, just as the parables of Matthew 13 (this stands for that,) and the keys to unlocking the symbols are not in the earth, they are in the Bible.

 

[savedbygrace57]

sdk:

Sis, we know as logical human beings that the earth cannot withstand even a fairly large meteor, much less a star.

I am not a sis, and yes the earth can withstand anything if its God's will for it to. These occurrences will be supernatural and under the government of a Sovereign God.. I don't even think that the bible states that the stars actually fall into the earth, they may not even hit the earth, but the main thought is that there will cataclysmic disruption or disturbance in the heavens..

 

[savedbygrace57]

From His commentary behold He cometh

The Shake-up Of The Physical Universe - Rev. Herman Hoeksema, SpindleWorks

Mr Hoesksma makes this comment about the stars falling from heaven unto the earth:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The same is true of the darkening of the sun and moon. They also have occurred more than once. We do not now refer to the regular eclipses of sun and moon, as are recorded in our calendars, but to extraordinary obscurations of the heavenly bodies. Thus, we are told that in the year 1780 a strangely dark day has been witnessed in the northeastern part of America, so strange that it has gone down in the annals of history as supernatural, at least as unaccountable. Also the red appearances of the moon have been frequently witnessed. When the text speaks of the falling of the stars, we must not think of those bodies in the heavens that are larger than our earth: for then it were impossible that they should fall on the earth. Rather do we think of those atmospheric phenomena which are called meteors, or shooting stars. One of these shooting stars, a large ball of fire, thus we are told, is able to light up an entire landscape in the night. It is very bright and light for a moment; then suddenly it is extinguished and disappears. And soon after its disappearance a loud detonation is [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]heard in all the surrounding region. These meteors have frequently fallen in such large numbers as to strike fear and consternation into the hearts of all who were witnesses. In some instances they have fallen very thickly. In 1872 some observers counted as many as ten thousand of these shooting stars falling within two hours' time. In regard to such a shower of stars happening in the tenth century one witness testifies that it had lasted "from midnight until morning; flaming stars struck one against another violently, while being borne eastward and westward, northward and southward, and no one could bear to look toward the heavens on account of this phenomenon." One of these showers we have on record with the testimony of a witness who informs us that people were thrown into consternation and cried out to God the Most High with confused clamor. From the year 900 to about 1850 there occurred as many as sixteen of such extraordinary star showers, in as far as we have them on record. Hence, also this element has occurred time and again in the present dispensation. The same is true, as we know, of the removal of the mountains and the islands. It is a well-known fact that mountains have been blown to pieces or entirely wiped out, and that many an island that has once existed can be found no more. In a word, it cannot be said that this seal has not become manifest throughout the history of the present dispensation. "[/FONT]
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