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[__ Science __ ] The Flood, what happened?
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Barbarian
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The word used was "erets", meaning "land." The word for "world" is "tebel." So by scripture's own description, it was not a world-wide flood.
Barbarian
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The problem is that if the continents moved that far, so fast, the energy required to move them would have to be removed in the form of heat. And that much heat would have boiled the seas.
So the division was a division of peoples and nations, not continents.
Christ_empowered
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I seem to recall reading (no references, sorry; this is just...popping in, here...) that a number of cultures in the same general area report massive, widespread flooding in their myths, epics, etc...
so, could it be that a segment of ancient world was flooded, and the Biblical tale is rooted in hazy, collective memories, and is used by God to detail His work in human history? something like that, perhaps?
so, could it be that a segment of ancient world was flooded, and the Biblical tale is rooted in hazy, collective memories, and is used by God to detail His work in human history? something like that, perhaps?
Truthfrees
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unbelief? - yes i guess you're right - i never thought of it that way before
Truthfrees
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great point
Truthfrees
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probably because evolution was invented by man to remove God - as though that could ever be possible - folly for sure
But are you referring to the continental shift happening in days of Peleg, or it happening during the Flood? It sounds like you are referring to the former, but we said it may have happened "during the Flood (or during Peleg?)" (with Flood indicated more likely and Peleg uncertain/less likely), and the point was only that the continents were one land mass when Flood started (Genesis 1-2 to 10-11.)
There is no other time in the bible's whole history from Genesis to Revelation when the continental shift(s) could have occurred, all the possible matches are all during or after the Flood, with no matches before the Flood except for possibly "the earth opened" for Abel's blood. Unless when God raised the land/earth from the waters/seas he raised it as separate land masses. And no matter when it happened, if the bible history is right there must have been fast shift(s) not ultra-slow drifting over many millenia.
It is only theory and not definitely proven that it would boil the seas.
There may have been more than one continental shift/sprint. One during Flood, one during Peleg/Babel, one during Atlantis "sinking". The only really great shift is between the Americas and Old World.
There are some evidences of heat/burning such as tachylite (spelling?) or tektites? burnt/melted sites (like Stede Citades? Avebury?)
If it happened during the flood then all the waters may have cooled down the heat? ("all the fountains of the great deep broke up".)
The post-flood Ice Age(s) are believed to have been caused by heating from below (ie tectonic) rather than from above. (See Jim Nienhuis' Genesis Veracity site & book, and newspaper article 'Ice Age comes after warming", etc.)
If the continents were shifted during and not after the Flood then there must have been land bridges &/or lower sea levels and more uniform latitudes climates for some time after the Flood for all the animals and plants to reach all their different end locations.
The use of earth in (Gen. 1:1) is the whole global earth. Earth is in contrast to heaven. So by Scriptures own discription the flood of Noah was a world wide flood.
Why do you ignore my question? Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
Quantrill
This is really the whole point. Those who don't believe in the flood of Noah's day try to explain it away as a local flood. Unbelief.
Makes you wonder why did God require Noah to build such an arc when He could have just told him to move to another area, if a local flood was all that it was.
The flood of Noah's day is a problem with unbelievers because they don't believe in the supernatural work of God. And everything about the flood was supernatural. It sticks in their craw.
Quantrill
kiwimacahau
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No, it simply was not.
Barbarian
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Either that, or there have been many catastrophic floods in human history. Since we know they occur from time to time, I think that answers that question.
Rather, those who don't believe in the flood of Noah's day try to explain it away as a worldwide flood, even though the Bible doesn't say that it was.
Barbarian
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I know you want to believe your addition to His word. But the Bible doesn't say that it was worldwide. As you learned, "erets" (the word God used) means "land" meaning a certain extent of land. The word "tebel" is the word He would have used if He meant worldwide flooding.
Why do you ignore this fact? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God, without your additions?
Barbarian
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It's for certain. The seas are only a tiny fraction of the mass of continental plates, and the rapid movement and then slowing of those plates would require huge energies to be released as heat. The seas would have boiled.
That alone would have done it, but there is the movement of Australia, India, and Antarctica also. Would you like to see some numbers on this?
Wouldn't have been primarily on the surface. Mostly from the mantle/crust interface.
Oceans are far to small to have cooled off that mass of rock.
kiwimacahau and Barbarian
Israel can not be calculated into this as it was in Mesopotamia where Noah lived and when the flood began, which is the region known as modern day Turkey where the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Noah, who lived and built the ark in the region of Mesopotamia, was not in the land of Israel for two reasons, he did not live there and Israel did not exist in Noah's day. The first eleven chapters of Genesis focuses on this region located along the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.
I agree that the flood was global. If we go back to Genesis 1:1-2 the word earth is written as in being the whole world being without form. Earth is our world/planet. I don't know how anyone could refute the other scriptures that Quantrill posted in post #12. Earth/world is the same thing.
Its still all only theory/opinion/assertion not actual there-then eye-witness certainty.
Merely counting the surface oceans/seas (and lakes? and ice caps?)
The world’s surface is 7/10ths water versus 3/10ths land.
The average depth of the ocean 12451 ft versus average height of land above sealevel is 2300 ft.
If the surface of the earth was flat the water would stand over 7900 ft or 1.5 mi deep/high.
Then there are more waters underground etc.
And if you were right then the whole bible is wrong, because it could never have happened any time in all of biblical history since Adam's fall unless it happened ultra slowly between the beginning and Adam's fall.
Moreover there are other possible evidences of sudden shifting. Thre are numerous evidences that the Andes were raised suddenly quickly within the life time of humans and early civilisation. (Unless the Andes raising might have been from crust displacement / pole shift or nearpass by of celestial body.)
kiwimacahau
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No, it simply does not. There is no support for a global flood in the geologic column, let alone in any other scientific field.