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Man's truth ???.
This is truth for the scriptures.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
JLB
Is taking the mark of the beast during the tribulation, considered a "salvation" issue, in your opinion?
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
JLB
I answered your question in post 105.
Here it is again
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
JLB
Atonement
Member
I laugh, cause my spirit was convicted the moment I began reading the thread Scriptures. Reba thx for the heads up
Please tell which post number you provided scriptures, that relates to the discussion.
JLB
Here is the scriptures I posted in response to her request, from post 105.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
JLB
Still waiting for you to reply to the scriptures I supplied in answer to your question.
I post the scripture within 2 minutes of your request, as the time stamp indicates.
Saying that I didn't post scriptures in response to your request is just not true.
Post 105 -
JLB
Atonement
Member
Which is why I refuse to debate.... You asked me a question, I said I can supply Scripture. You said "supply it". I did and now you ask me this?
It seems you have a argumentive spirit within you. You want to be heard and correct that you don't know when to let the conversation drop.
ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT IS PLEASING TO THE LORD
When He returns doesn't mean that much to me, I can die today and be ready to stand in front of Him.
You don't know me, but I'm a person you're speaking with that has been walking these threads longer than most here. Call it what you will, I call it spiritual discernment, because I can validate the tone of a thread the moment I open and read it (or in this case, the topic heading).
My point for posting here is to provide what I said above in CAPS..
You trying to debate me will get you nowhere... That you can trust
It seems you have a argumentive spirit within you. You want to be heard and correct that you don't know when to let the conversation drop.
ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT IS PLEASING TO THE LORD
When He returns doesn't mean that much to me, I can die today and be ready to stand in front of Him.
You don't know me, but I'm a person you're speaking with that has been walking these threads longer than most here. Call it what you will, I call it spiritual discernment, because I can validate the tone of a thread the moment I open and read it (or in this case, the topic heading).
My point for posting here is to provide what I said above in CAPS..
You trying to debate me will get you nowhere... That you can trust
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dianegcook
Member
My 2 cents,
It depends on which wedding you go to.
The so called antichrist will set up an one world religious, economic, political and educational system.
The 4 hidden dynasties.
The beast..
In Rev.17:5
We have the New order of religion.
She is arrayed in purple and scarlet, royalty,
She is the mother of harlots.
These do not remain a virgin bride, they went to the wrong wedding.
Those whom do not receive the Mark, were not deceived by the false one.
As the parable of the 10 virgins.
5 wise 5 foolish
5 foolish had no oil, which represents anointing.
They had to go where they sell and buy.
And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom came. Matt.25:1-10
In Rev.13:17
No man might buy or sell, save he that had the Mark.
Also in 1Cor.15:23
It states the order.
Christ the first fruits, He became the first fruit, afterward they that are His at His Coming.
It does not state at His appearing, or secret rapture but His coming here.
1Thess.4:14
Those whom sleep, rest in Jesus ,will God BRING with Him.
He is coming here to reign.
Also this wrath thingy:
The so called antichrist wrath is not God's wrath.
God's wrath fall on those whom are deceived by the false one , takes his Mark, becomes a harlot, no longer a virgin bride, spiritually.
Rev.12:12
Satan and his angels booted out of heaven and are here on earth, having great wrath..
Make war with those which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev12:17
Satan wants to destroy you spiritually.
The wrath of God,
Now, my belief is that the seals are the knowledge of the trumps, that one can recognize the trumps when being sound.
They are being sealed in their foreheads, mind.
The trumps could not sound until the elect are sealed with this knowledge.
The trumps are the action of the seals.
The vials are the wrath of God being poured.
In Daniel 12:4 it states to seal the book, in Dan.12:9, 10 they are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
But the wise shall understand.
Oops, back to God's wrath, when and whom does it pour on?
As I believe, the wrath comes once, thus to me it confirms my belief about the seals, trumps and vials are one in the same, the seals knowing before hand the trumps and vials.
The seal:
Rev.6:17
For the great day of His wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand.
The trump
Rev.11:18
Thy wrath is come, give reward to the saints..
Notice it is after the 2 witnesses were killed, during Satan's wrath, the tribulation....
The vial
Rev.16:17
Poured out his vial into the air, It is done.
The wrath falls on those whom are deceived by Satan, by taking his Mark in your forehead, mind.
Those whom become the harlot..
And of course falls on Satan and his angels.
My 2 cents
It depends on which wedding you go to.
The so called antichrist will set up an one world religious, economic, political and educational system.
The 4 hidden dynasties.
The beast..
In Rev.17:5
We have the New order of religion.
She is arrayed in purple and scarlet, royalty,
She is the mother of harlots.
These do not remain a virgin bride, they went to the wrong wedding.
Those whom do not receive the Mark, were not deceived by the false one.
As the parable of the 10 virgins.
5 wise 5 foolish
5 foolish had no oil, which represents anointing.
They had to go where they sell and buy.
And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom came. Matt.25:1-10
In Rev.13:17
No man might buy or sell, save he that had the Mark.
Also in 1Cor.15:23
It states the order.
Christ the first fruits, He became the first fruit, afterward they that are His at His Coming.
It does not state at His appearing, or secret rapture but His coming here.
1Thess.4:14
Those whom sleep, rest in Jesus ,will God BRING with Him.
He is coming here to reign.
Also this wrath thingy:
The so called antichrist wrath is not God's wrath.
God's wrath fall on those whom are deceived by the false one , takes his Mark, becomes a harlot, no longer a virgin bride, spiritually.
Rev.12:12
Satan and his angels booted out of heaven and are here on earth, having great wrath..
Make war with those which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev12:17
Satan wants to destroy you spiritually.
The wrath of God,
Now, my belief is that the seals are the knowledge of the trumps, that one can recognize the trumps when being sound.
They are being sealed in their foreheads, mind.
The trumps could not sound until the elect are sealed with this knowledge.
The trumps are the action of the seals.
The vials are the wrath of God being poured.
In Daniel 12:4 it states to seal the book, in Dan.12:9, 10 they are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
But the wise shall understand.
Oops, back to God's wrath, when and whom does it pour on?
As I believe, the wrath comes once, thus to me it confirms my belief about the seals, trumps and vials are one in the same, the seals knowing before hand the trumps and vials.
The seal:
Rev.6:17
For the great day of His wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand.
The trump
Rev.11:18
Thy wrath is come, give reward to the saints..
Notice it is after the 2 witnesses were killed, during Satan's wrath, the tribulation....
The vial
Rev.16:17
Poured out his vial into the air, It is done.
The wrath falls on those whom are deceived by Satan, by taking his Mark in your forehead, mind.
Those whom become the harlot..
And of course falls on Satan and his angels.
My 2 cents