The rapture

[josefnospam]

The word rapture does not appear in scriptures. I am always intrested in what others think of such things? This is a rather broad subject. What think you of such things?

Here"s what I believe................The Rapture is the last day. Judgement day! The final day of all things. Please be civil if you disagree.

 

[JLB]

The word rapture does not appear in scriptures. I am always intrested in what others think of such things? This is a rather broad subject. What think you of such things?

Here"s what I believe................The Rapture is the last day. Judgement day! The final day of all things. Please be civil if you disagree.

The Last Day of this age.

He will raise us up on the last Day.


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The rapture of the church is certainly the last day for us.
We just don't know when that is.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:42;
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know what day your Lord will come".

 

[reba]

Nor do we find the 'word' Trinity in the scripture . not a big deal to me...


Surprise i moved the thread ;)

 

[turnorburn]

The Rapture

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

tob

 

[iLOVE]

The words "It Is Finish" started the countdown to the Rapture.

 

[King James]

The Rapture

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Messenger]

1 Cor. 15:50-54
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Luke 18:8-9
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him (Rom. 8:15; Gal. 4:6), though He bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?

In these last days truth is hidden from those in false religion; their eyes have been blinded (John 12:40), and their ears cannot hear (Mat. 13:15; Prov. 20:12); for they are the "goats" (Mat. 25:32-34), but the "sheep" have hearing ears (John 10:27).


1 Thes. 4:16-18
because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be; so, then, comfort ye one another in these words. (YLT)

Rev. 1:7
Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him:

(These are the elect ones Christ died for (Mat. 1:21; Rom. 8:33-34): hence they pierced Him (Isaiah 53:6); they are the ones "that look for Him" (Heb. 9:28); "every eye" of His elect ones will see Him (Rev. 22:4):

and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

(Those left behind will wail (Rev. 1:7; kopto; cut off; beat one's breast in grief); and they will mourn (kopto; Mat. 24:30); they "looketh not for Him" (Mat. 24:50) and they will accuse God:

Mat. 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat. 25:41)

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as he is.

But not the rest of the inhabitants of the earth, the non-elect; they will not see Him as He is, only the "sign" (the catching up of all the elect) of His coming, because they are still in their corruptible bodies.

Mat. 24:30-31
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they (His elect) shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

TGBTG!

 

[reba]

The Rapture

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Are those clouds of Glory like here Eze_10:4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
cause if they are like rain clouds how ya gonna see em if the sun is dark?

 

[JLB]

"every eye" of His elect ones will see Him (Rev. 22:4):

The scripture doesn't say His elect ones will see Him, it says every eye will see Him.

Not the sign but Him.


The brightness of His Coming will be seen by all.

The brightness of His coming will destroy the Lawless one.


Please do not add your phrases to God's word to change the meaning.


JLB

 

[Messenger]

But not the rest of the inhabitants of the earth, the non-elect; they will not see Him as He is, only the "sign" (the catching up of all the elect) of His coming, because they are still in their corruptible bodies.

Do you understand the relevance of this statement and how it applies to other places in scripture where God has more to say on this subject?

The Biblical rule is that we are to compare spiritual with spiritual.
(1 Cor. 2:13)

Can any man, while in his physical body, see God in all His glory? No!
(Exodus 33:20)

When Christ returns in all His Glory, His elect will be given their new spiritual, immortal bodies
(1 Cor. 15:53)

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

This explains who shall see Him: the Beloved Elect Sons of God!

The rest of mankind, still in their physical bodies, will not be capable of seeing Him as He is. Yet they will all know, and be fully aware of the fact that Christ has returned to take up His Sons to be with Him forever!

Rom. 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

TGBTG!

 

[JLB]

But not the rest of the inhabitants of the earth, the non-elect; they will not see Him as He is, only the "sign" (the catching up of all the elect) of His coming, because they are still in their corruptible bodies.

Do you understand the relevance of this statement and how it applies to other places in scripture where God has more to say on this subject?

The Biblical rule is that we are to compare spiritual with spiritual.
(1 Cor. 2:13)

Can any man, while in his physical body, see God in all His glory? No!
(Exodus 33:20)

When Christ returns in all His Glory, His elect will be given their new spiritual, immortal bodies
(1 Cor. 15:53)

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

This explains who shall see Him: the Beloved Elect Sons of God!

The rest of mankind, still in their physical bodies, will not be capable of seeing Him as He is. Yet they will all know, and be fully aware of the fact that Christ has returned to take up His Sons to be with Him forever!

Rom. 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

TGBTG!

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53

The word elect is not mentioned.

We in this verse refers to those who have by faith chosen to believe and obey the Gospel.


You are still adding words to the scripture to change the meaning.


JLB

 

[Messenger]

We in this verse refers to those who have by faith chosen to believe and obey the Gospel.

Believing a false gospel of works precludes a correct understanding of end-time events.

 

[reba]

The discussion of 'end times' has enough battles with in it's self lets not turn this to a 'works' 'faith' battle. moderator

 

[n2thelight]

The rapture of the church is certainly the last day for us.
We just don't know when that is.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:42;
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know what day your Lord will come".

Allenwynne

You quote Matthew 24,question,are we not watching for the signs that Christ told us about,earlier in this chapter?

Two questions

1-Where is the rapture mentioned in this chapter,Matt 24?

2-How can you all (rapturist)claim that Christ could come at any moment,when in the very chapter you quote from,He told us everything that will and must happen before His return?

 

[Brother Mike]

The word rapture does not appear in scriptures. I am always intrested in what others think of such things? This is a rather broad subject. What think you of such things?

Oh no!!! somebody said the Word Rapture does not appear in scriptures again........ Not again..... Study people!!! study!!!

Joh 10:28 et ego vitam aeternam do eis et non peribunt in aeternum et non rapiet eas quisquam de manu mea
Act 8:39 cum autem ascendissent de aqua Spiritus Domini rapuit Philippum et amplius non vidit eum eunuchus ibat enim per viam suam gaudens
Rev 12:5 et peperit filium masculum qui recturus erit omnes gentes in virga ferrea et raptus est filius eius ad Deum et ad thronum eius

1Th 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

AMP:
Joh_20:20 So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture).

BBE:
Pro_5:19 As a loving hind and a gentle doe, let her breasts ever give you rapture; let your passion at all times be moved by her love.

It's in the bible, just not the KJV bible.

Nor do we find the 'word' Trinity in the scripture . not a big deal to me...

Nor do we find the 'word' Trinity in the scripture . not a big deal to me...

Nor is anything remotely in Greek or Hebrew mean triune or 3 part God in the bible. The Greek word was used by in a Work after the Bible was written though but the Idea was rejected by Rome.

You are still adding words to the scripture to change the meaning.

Does that surprise you with that one? They have an elect breakfast in the morning, put on their elected tennis shoes and they don't change channels at their house, they are elected channels. Amazing person Messenger is, and confused, but still amazing.

Mike.


Mike.

 

[reba]

Quote Originally Posted by reba View Post Nor do we find the 'word' Trinity in the scripture . not a big deal to me... Nor is anything remotely in Greek or Hebrew mean triune or 3 part God in the bible. The Greek word was used by in a Work after the Bible was written though but the Idea was rejected by Rome.

I have never said differently

 

[Brother Mike]

I have never said differently

Well if that is the case, I don't have any point, so there!!!!

I need to stay out of these end time threads.

Mike.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

The word rapture does not appear in scriptures. .......... This is a rather broad subject. What think you of such things?

Though the word is not mentioned, the concept is referenced in Paul's Thessalonian letters. The word literally refers to being 'caught up' and Paul wrote that the saints would be 'caught up' to meet a returning and triumphant King Jesus in the air as he returned to not only gather them to help him administer the kingdom promised, but also to judge and execute his enemies. This is an event the saints fully expected and looked forward to happenning within their lifetimes some 1940 or so years ago.

 

[n2thelight]

The word rapture does not appear in scriptures. .......... This is a rather broad subject. What think you of such things?

Though the word is not mentioned, the concept is referenced in Paul's Thessalonian letters. The word literally refers to being 'caught up' and Paul wrote that the saints would be 'caught up' to meet a returning and triumphant King Jesus in the air as he returned to not only gather them to help him administer the kingdom promised to him but also to judge and execute his enemies. This is an event the saints fully expected and looked forward to happenning within their lifetimes some 1940 or so years ago.

When did Paul say this would take place(our gathering)?The exact same as Christ taught in Matthew 24,yet nowhere did Christ mention a rapture .....

Again how could this rapture happen at anytime when Paul as well as Christ told us all things that will and must take place before??????

Heck let's just see what they both said,starting with Paul

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

The subject of this letter is; "our gathering back to Christ".

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

Paul doesn't want you to misunderstand what he is about to say. This is why he makes it plain and simple; Paul told them not to confuse what he is saying here with any other teaching, or spirit, or even that first letter from him. This is because there was a confusing part in the first letter where false teachers had crept in and twisted Paul's words. The prime example of this today is the twisting of that first letter by the "rapture theorist", to form the trap that has been set for Christians in this final generation.

Paul is saying, don't let anyone trouble you [confuse you], and tell you that the "day of Christ" is at hand. The "day of Christ [the Lord]" is the day when Jesus Christ will return to earth, and gather His saints to Him. This gathering will happen at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. This is one of those tradition's of men [false doctrines] that can deceive you.

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Jesus Christ is not gathering anyone to Him, nor is He coming here to earth, except there be a falling away first. The word for "falling away", in the Greek is "apostasy". Jesus told us in His revelation to John, in Revelation 9:11, that "Apollyon" is one of Satan's names, and this name is derived from the word apostasy.

The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].

What did Paul say again?

Jesus Christ is coming back to this earth, but the saints of Christ will not be gathered to Him until the "son of perdition" [Satan] be revealed first.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The "Son of perdition" is Satan,the temple of God is on mount Zion, and "on the side of the North". This person sitting there is sitting in God's seat, pretending to be God: "Showing himself that he is God."

Do you know what Jesus said about this very thing. Jesus called it in Matthew 24:15, the very same thing that Daniel called it in Daniel 9:27; "the Abomination of desolation". A more correct translation in the "James Moffatt translation Bible" is called "The abomination by the desolator".

Now Jesus

Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you."

This is the number one warning, "Take heed that no man deceive you." Deception will be the foremost thing to guard against in the latter days, that will consummate the end of this age. This means that these events will not happen all at one time, but will take place over a period of time. These warnings or signs that Jesus is about to give us, are the seven seals that are given us in the Book of Revelation.

These are an exact overlay of the seven events, which are the seven seals that we should be watching for today. At the end of Matthew we will include the thirteenth chapter of Mark, which is an overlay of Matthew twenty four. These events will be spelled out before we are finish, but again, Don't let anyone deceive you.

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand"

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

After all these events or signs take place then Christ returns,so again,how can you all(rapturist)claim that Christ can return at anytime?????

Simple answer is,He can't!!!!!!!!!