When did God so love the world? (John 3:16)

[Tri Unity]

When did God foreordain His only begotten son?

• Was it really before the foundation of the world? (1 Peter 1:19)

• Was it really before all things were created? (Hebrews 1:4-6)

• Was it when Jesus was “begotten”? (Proverbs 8:22)

• When God made the world “through Him and for Him”, did the Son immediately know that He would die on the cross – even before the heavens and earth were made?

These are all basically the same question on how to understand the ministry of redemption when you also account for the creation and the reason for the Son to be begotten of the Father... (No Arianism intended)


John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

1 Peter 1:19 “But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and withoutspot: Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”

Hebrews 1:6 “And again, when he brings in the first-begotten into the world, he said, And let all the angels of God worship him."

Proverbs 8:22 ”The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.”

 

[for_his_glory]

When God made the world “through Him and for Himâ€, did the Son immediately know that He would die on the cross – even before the heavens and earth were made?

God did not make the world through Jesus, but made the world for His own good pleasure nor did he make the world for Jesus as Jesus and God are one in the same, but only the word (Jesus) from the beginning was manifested in the flesh given at the latter time to be sent down as the light of God, but those in darkness still reject that light which is God.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

God "so loved the world" before He even fashioned it. All the passages cited in the OP are the same time frame.

 

[childeye]

When did God foreordain His only begotten son?

• Was it really before the foundation of the world? (1 Peter 1:19)

• Was it really before all things were created? (Hebrews 1:4-6)

• Was it when Jesus was “begotten”? (Proverbs 8:22)

• When God made the world “through Him and for Him”, did the Son immediately know that He would die on the cross – even before the heavens and earth were made?

These are all basically the same question on how to understand the ministry of redemption when you also account for the creation and the reason for the Son to be begotten of the Father... (No Arianism intended)


John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

1 Peter 1:19 “But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and withoutspot: Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”

Hebrews 1:6 “And again, when he brings in the first-begotten into the world, he said, And let all the angels of God worship him."

Proverbs 8:22 ”The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.”

If I am understanding you correctly and our terminology is the same, then yes the cause of redemption is contained in the reason for God's fore ordaining of the Christ. The reasons and accomplishments are manifold however. I would describe them on the whole as revealing the True Character of God.

 

[handy]

I don't think that the Father begot the Son for the purpose of saving the world, although that ministry was to be the Son's prior to the world's beginning.

The Son was begotten in eternity... long, long, long before any creation of the universe, the angels, and certainly long before this world.

But, the world was created with the foreknowledge of all that would happen, and it was foreordained that the Son would be it's Savior.

 

[childeye]

I don't think that the Father begot the Son for the purpose of saving the world, although that ministry was to be the Son's prior to the world's beginning.

The Son was begotten in eternity... long, long, long before any creation of the universe, the angels, and certainly long before this world.

But, the world was created with the foreknowledge of all that would happen, and it was foreordained that the Son would be it's Savior.

I'm not sure how this applies to the Word made flesh, for God spoke and creation came into existence through His Word. Also problematic is that God dwells in eternity since He always was, is, and going to be. This convolutes all terms applied and taken in any temporal context.

 

[handy]

I'm not sure how this applies to the Word made flesh, for God spoke and creation came into existence through His Word. Also problematic is that God dwells in eternity since He always was, is, and going to be. This convolutes all terms applied and taken in any temporal context.

The Son was not begotten when the Word became flesh.... The Word became flesh when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary, only a little over 2000 years ago... The Son was eternally begotten...not created.

The only Begotten Son was the Word through Whom creation came into existence...

God dwells in eternity since He always was, is, and going to be. This convolutes all terms applied and taken in any temporal context.

Only if we confuse which terms should be taken in a temporal context. The only begotten Son and the Word, two titles referring to the same Person of the Trinity... are not temporal terms. Once the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, as the Son of Man, Jesus Christ, now that is within a temporal context.