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Is Russia bad or is us. The bible says the countries that help Iran Syria turkey Ethiopia and maybe another is gog n Magog. Who is helping those countries? I'm lost on who to believe. Acts says don't join the empire. I depend on some of it. Who is the good and who is the evil?
 
Who is good is the one we put our trust in being Christ Jesus. Who is bad is Satan who works through those to try to destroy those who are Christ own.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Read all of Ephesians 6:10-18.
 
Both are bad. No country is going to heaven.
The problem is what is called statism, where via "education" they build a policeman in your head when you are a youth in school and then the rest of your life you walk around and unknowingly(mostly) treat the nation as God, worshipping laws, politicians and police officers.

If you are what is traditionally known as a "conservative", then right now is an especially confusing time. Evidence will keep piling up til you understand that it is indeed a scenario of having one foot in the world still. Choices have to be made, as in who to follow.
 
The nations that aid the saints and destroy Babylon The Great will be good. The Lord will call the good nations sheep and the bad nations goats during the Millennial Reign and the good nations will continue to exist and the bad nations will be disbanded. Currently Russia is a bad country and so is Turkey. That much is known.
 
Personally I think we do not have enough information to make a black or white call. Of course the behavior of the soldiers is very bad, but this does not make the other side good. I would refrain from making this sort of judgement.
 
The nations that aid the saints and destroy Babylon The Great will be good. The Lord will call the good nations sheep and the bad nations goats during the Millennial Reign and the good nations will continue to exist and the bad nations will be disbanded. Currently Russia is a bad country and so is Turkey. That much is known.
Every nation is corrupt as even know the NWO is about to come to fruition and it is Christ Jesus by the brightness of His coming that will aid His own by gathering them up to Him as He destroys mystery Babylon and all who have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12; Rev 17-18.

Matthew 25:31-46 explains who the sheep and the goats are as they are individual people, not nations.
 
Every nation is corrupt as even know the NWO is about to come to fruition and it is Christ Jesus by the brightness of His coming that will aid His own by gathering them up to Him as He destroys mystery Babylon and all who have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12; Rev 17-18.

Matthew 25:31-46 explains who the sheep and the goats are as they are individual people, not nations.
Yes he will separate the nations like sheep it says and the nations who are not good will be called goats. For example, there are Seven Heads and Ten Horns. The Seven Nations compromise the Beast and they rule over the Ten Horns that are ten nations that receive no power who then destroy Babylon The Great because they are influenced by the words of the saints. And so they overcome Babylon with the words of their testimony. The Seven nations of the Beast are Goats, whereas the Ten Horns are Sheep. There are many other nations, and there will be many other sheep and possibly more goats, but that is what we can find in the books. As of now all nations are corrupt as you've said, however the people of those nations will rise up and overthrow the Beasts monitary system because of the words of the saints.
 
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Seven Heads and Ten Horns.
The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798, but was healed in 1929.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia
 
The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798, but was healed in 1929.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia
Interesting theory. I have my own. Quite different, but many of the same nations and then some more.

So tell me, what do you make of this verse?
"the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."?
 
Interesting theory. I have my own. Quite different, but many of the same nations and then some more.

So tell me, what do you make of this verse?
"the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."?
You might call it a theory, but I call it study the scriptures and history of all the Empires, but you don't have to agree.

Rev 17:15-18 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The whore that sits on the waters as water means people, multitudes, nations and tongues, and the ten horns are ten nations that are in union with the whore as being a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system, Rev 13,17, 18; Daniel 7. Part of the end of days multitudes of the ten nations/ten horns that speak in various languages are Gods people throughout the earth that cry out for vengeance as their prayers have reached God, Rev 5:8, as now will be the time of God's vengeance on His enemies. It's God that will make her desolate, naked (naked meaning exposed Rev 18) and the birds will come and eat their flesh, Rev 19:11-21, and burn her with fire, Rev 18.

It is the patience and endurance of those saints that wait for the coming of the Lord who will take vengeance on those who have persecuted Gods children as their earthly kingdom temporarily belongs to the whore as it has always been in the past until all the words of God be fulfilled. The great city IMO is Vatican City that has gathered all nations unto herself as she is ruled by none other than Satan and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.
 
You might call it a theory, but I call it study the scriptures and history of all the Empires, but you don't have to agree.

Rev 17:15-18 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The whore that sits on the waters as water means people, multitudes, nations and tongues, and the ten horns are ten nations that are in union with the whore as being a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system, Rev 13,17, 18; Daniel 7. Part of the end of days multitudes of the ten nations/ten horns that speak in various languages are Gods people throughout the earth that cry out for vengeance as their prayers have reached God, Rev 5:8, as now will be the time of God's vengeance on His enemies. It's God that will make her desolate, naked (naked meaning exposed Rev 18) and the birds will come and eat their flesh, Rev 19:11-21, and burn her with fire, Rev 18.

It is the patience and endurance of those saints that wait for the coming of the Lord who will take vengeance on those who have persecuted Gods children as their earthly kingdom temporarily belongs to the whore as it has always been in the past until all the words of God be fulfilled. The great city IMO is Vatican City that has gathered all nations unto herself as she is ruled by none other than Satan and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.
Well it's common to believe that the Vatican is a most powerful city, however in Revelations 17 Babylon is described as a monitary system whose merchants polute the Earth with it's wares, jewels, gold, and silver, and after Babylon falls, then the antichrist forces all to bear a physical mark to buy and sell. In Daniel this is called the little horn that replaces 3 of the 10 horns. These horns are simply nations with kings such as the related monarchies of Europe: France, Germany, Great Britain, Ireland, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, USA, ...etc. These monarchies have no power, but the seven nations and their banking aristocracies do and they are the economic powerhouses. If Babylon is a city, then it is the seat of economic authority, so it is a fair assessment to assume that Babylon continues as the city that rules the world however it will have no currency or power, except for the antichrist. That much is certain, hence why the saints are killed in the middle of the Tribulation and the dead rise first, then the second coming happens.

Oh, and you are the water within the ten nations and you either will or will not help the other people of the many nations to destroy the Central Banks, Stock Exchanges, World Trade Centers, and Money Mints to make Babylon desolate. You do that by sharing the word of our testimony and joining the revolution when it happens.
 
Well it's common to believe that the Vatican is a most powerful city, however in Revelations 17 Babylon is described as a monitary system whose merchants polute the Earth with it's wares, jewels, gold, and silver, and after Babylon falls, then the antichrist forces all to bear a physical mark to buy and sell. In Daniel this is called the little horn that replaces 3 of the 10 horns. These horns are simply nations with kings such as the related monarchies of Europe: France, Germany, Great Britain, Ireland, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, USA, ...etc. These monarchies have no power, but the seven nations and their banking aristocracies do and they are the economic powerhouses. If Babylon is a city, then it is the seat of economic authority, so it is a fair assessment to assume that Babylon continues as the city that rules the world however it will have no currency or power, except for the antichrist. That much is certain, hence why the saints are killed in the middle of the Tribulation and the dead rise first, then the second coming happens.

Oh, and you are the water within the ten nations and you either will or will not help the other people of the many nations to destroy the Central Banks, Stock Exchanges, World Trade Centers, and Money Mints to make Babylon desolate. You do that by sharing the word of our testimony and joining the revolution when it happens.
Sorry, but if you read Rev 17 it is speaking about "Mystery Babylon". The original Babylon no longer exist as it was destroyed by the Medo-Persian Empire. Notice the fourth Empire as it received what appeared to be a deadly wound back in 1798, but the wound was healed in 1929 and has been working through this Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and a false religious system.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France, who made his entrance into Rome, abolished the Roman government and established a secular one and captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon’s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to Pope Pius XI and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome in Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.
 
The nations that aid the saints and destroy Babylon The Great will be good. The Lord will call the good nations sheep and the bad nations goats during the Millennial Reign and the good nations will continue to exist and the bad nations will be disbanded. Currently Russia is a bad country and so is Turkey. That much is known.
If nations still exist, doesn't that mean we will not be one?
I do believe that there will be only one nation in the end.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Matthew 25:31-37 ?

I ask because Jesus seems to go from nations to persons.
 
Both are bad. No country is going to heaven.
The problem is what is called statism, where via "education" they build a policeman in your head when you are a youth in school and then the rest of your life you walk around and unknowingly(mostly) treat the nation as God, worshipping laws, politicians and police officers.

If you are what is traditionally known as a "conservative", then right now is an especially confusing time. Evidence will keep piling up til you understand that it is indeed a scenario of having one foot in the world still. Choices have to be made, as in who to follow.
Northman,
I'm a conservative.
Why am I having a confusing time??
 
If nations still exist, doesn't that mean we will not be one?
I do believe that there will be only one nation in the end.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Matthew 25:31-37 ?

I ask because Jesus seems to go from nations to persons.
The passage in Matthew 25 says that he will separate nations. That's clearly explained by reading it. There will be many nations, as it says that every kindred, tongue, and nation will be there.
 
The passage in Matthew 25 says that he will separate nations. That's clearly explained by reading it. There will be many nations, as it says that every kindred, tongue, and nation will be there.
But you didn't exegete the verses I gave you.
Please explain how and why Jesus goes from speaking about nations to speaking about persons.
 
Sorry, but if you read Rev 17 it is speaking about "Mystery Babylon". The original Babylon no longer exist as it was destroyed by the Medo-Persian Empire. Notice the fourth Empire as it received what appeared to be a deadly wound back in 1798, but the wound was healed in 1929 and has been working through this Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and a false religious system.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France, who made his entrance into Rome, abolished the Roman government and established a secular one and captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon’s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to Pope Pius XI and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome in Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.
Unfortunately you are believing the great deception perpetuated by the false prophet that a Roman Empire exists. The Latins were genocided in the inquisitions that occurred throughout Spain, Italy, and areas of Germania in the 15th and 16th centuries during the Renaissance and false cults were setup to act as scapegoats such as the Jesuits and Knights of Malta. The ten horns have no power, as it says in Revelations 17:12 "And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who haven't received a kingdom as of yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." The most powerful monarchies today beginning from 500 AD are one family descending from the Merovingians and another from elite blood infused with them that extends throughout the major countries of Europe, but they have no authority because they lended it to banking aristocracies from northern Italy through severe debt. The ten kings can only be them since there is no other. The Beast and it's seven heads are the powerful nations that rule over the monarchies that no doubt have notoriety as most powerful nations in the world, but it truly belongs to the Beast. These Seven Nations are the cultural homeland of the banking aristocracies and it is not Roman.
 
Unfortunately you are believing the great deception perpetuated by the false prophet that a Roman Empire exists. The Latins were genocided in the inquisitions that occurred throughout Spain, Italy, and areas of Germania in the 15th and 16th centuries during the Renaissance and false cults were setup to act as scapegoats such as the Jesuits and Knights of Malta. The ten horns have no power, as it says in Revelations 17:12 "And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who haven't received a kingdom as of yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." The most powerful monarchies today beginning from 500 AD are one family descending from the Merovingians and another from elite blood infused with them that extends throughout the major countries of Europe, but they have no authority because they lended it to banking aristocracies from northern Italy through severe debt. The ten kings can only be them since there is no other. The Beast and it's seven heads are the powerful nations that rule over the monarchies that no doubt have notoriety as most powerful nations in the world, but it truly belongs to the Beast. These Seven Nations are the cultural homeland of the banking aristocracies and it is not Roman.
Apparently all of this comes from your own mind since you say you are Michael the Archangel sent down by God and you need no book. Is that because God is giving you what to speak to us in all truth?
 
But you didn't exegete the verses I gave you.
Please explain how and why Jesus goes from speaking about nations to speaking about persons.
Because then it is also talking about people. From what I see, the people and the nations will both be judged as goats and sheep and it is apparent that there will still be nations for Satan to deceive after the Millennial Reign.
 
Unfortunately you are believing the great deception perpetuated by the false prophet that a Roman Empire exists. The Latins were genocided in the inquisitions that occurred throughout Spain, Italy, and areas of Germania in the 15th and 16th centuries during the Renaissance and false cults were setup to act as scapegoats such as the Jesuits and Knights of Malta. The ten horns have no power, as it says in Revelations 17:12 "And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who haven't received a kingdom as of yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." The most powerful monarchies today beginning from 500 AD are one family descending from the Merovingians and another from elite blood infused with them that extends throughout the major countries of Europe, but they have no authority because they lended it to banking aristocracies from northern Italy through severe debt. The ten kings can only be them since there is no other. The Beast and it's seven heads are the powerful nations that rule over the monarchies that no doubt have notoriety as most powerful nations in the world, but it truly belongs to the Beast. These Seven Nations are the cultural homeland of the banking aristocracies and it is not Roman.
I don't know much about eschatology, but I do agree with you that the Kings of Europe have no power,
and the Vatican even less.

The banks rule nowadays.

Italy has suffered much in the past 10 or so years just to appease bankers.
 
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