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No longer will OSAS vx OSNAS be allowed to be debated, argued, or discussed in theology forum. Too much time is required to monitor and rescources used to debate this subject which hasn't been definitively decided in 3,000 years.
OK Jason, here is the thread that puts and sees the NT promise of Christ's coming properly and squarely in the Jewish perspective, where it belongs. :)
How anyone can read themselves into the words of the NT 2,000 years later is simply stunning for its hubris.
The same apostle that wrote that everything in the book of Revelation was slated to happen "soon" because the events were "at hand" also wrote that they were living in "the last hour."...
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. Revelation 1:17-18 (NASB)
Gave you some here:
To which you responded:
Which merely proves you're not interested in discussion. You use questions like these:
As an opportunity to ambush and belittle those who respond. Why are you â€œevenhere?" Your idea of "discussion" isn't befitting a Christian web forum.
He already did.
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us [Hebrews] in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
Like all futurists...
No one is discounting the word of God here but you and you do it very time you take things completely out of context, precisely as you have with this passage.
The bible cannot mean anything if you can change such clear, simple language into anything you want it to mean!!!
I agree, Jason, which is why I have argued here often that the New Testament cannot be understood through the eyes and experience of 21st century American evangelicalism: it absolutely must be understood through the lives of the men who wrote it and when.
All the writers of the NT (except...
So the church isn't the bride of Christ yet? Paul would disagree with that point of view:
Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church...
I'm not the one disregarding His words!!! You are!!!
THEN JESUS SAID TO HIS DISCIPLES!!!
It is perfectly clear by these few, simple words, He was not talking to demons, angels, or people living 2,000 years later as the text continues:
The story of Revelation boils down to the story of two covenants and two "women" who were "married" to God through these respective covenant relationships.
The "woman" of Revelation 12 who brings forth Christ is Israel, but she rejects Him and becomes the "great harlot" of Revelation 17.
Our pastor at church this morning made a passing comment about Revelation and how he's a pre-tribber. He claimed two things that I couldn't have agreed with more: Revelation is about judgment and the church wouldn't go through it.
Jerusalem was, indeed, judged and the church at Jerusalem...