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[_ Old Earth _] Creationism AND Evolution: can you believe in both?

Creationism AND Evolution: can you believe in both?

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When people ask me whether I believe in Creationism or Evolution, I say I believe in both.
I believe God created the world, but I believe time to be relative to Him, so one day to Him isn’t one day to us – it could be 100,000 year or a billion years. I see the creation of the earth as described in Genesis as being mostly metaphorical, being described in simple terms by people with the limited scientific knowledge/ vocabularies available to them at the time of writing.
When I say that, what do you think? Can you agree or disagree? Why not? (No “you’re stupid†one-liner responses, thank you.)
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no, you can not believe in both of them. in fact, everything that evolution says is completely irrelevant. read the post i posted in teh thread in this forum titled "creation". this tells exactly why evolution can not be true. it can NOT take millions of years for something to evolve, the changes are not that slow. they would have to move much much faster to work at all. then, it would have to be part of the genetic code in order to work. last time i checked, i'm not born a monkey first then convert to a human a few days afterwards. here, let me describe this to you with a frog. frogs, they are water amphibions at first, tehn they go on the land and have lungs. how is that? oh that's proof for evolution!....no. not quite. first off, the change happens within days, not years, second, it is written in the frog's genetic code to change from gills to lungs. this means, they are born with one, thn convert to the other, rather quickly. this is all the proof you need to realize that evolution is a phony. so how can you believe in both if evolution is a lie? you can't. creationism is the onl true way. as for god's time not being the same as ours, i agree on that, to an extent. god is not ruled by time AT ALL, a day to him fluctuates compared to a day to us. one "day" it could be 24 hours, then the next it could be thousands of years, whichever he chooses. the time it took god to create this entire galaxy, was six days, six of our days. here, read this article.

http://www.drdino.com/QandA/index.jsp?v ... ssible.jsp

also, stars are not "billions of light years away". even if they were, there would be no way for us to tell it, as we don't have time travel technology do we? here, read this article as well, it will tell you why.

http://www.drdino.com/QandA/index.jsp?v ... rsAway.jsp

how much more proof do you need to know that evolution is a phony? there is more proof for creationism than tehre is for evolution.
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't beleive in evolution. I'm non-evolutionist creationist. I just beleive that it is possible for someone to beleive in evolution as the creation. The fact that it is false is irrelevant.
 
I beleive they are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe that the species came to be at one time 6000 years ago and also believe they came to be over a process of millions of years.

And cd27, if you'd actually like to learn about evolution, not a simplified and grossly incorrect concept of it, then there are tons of useful links and other such diversions I can give you. Just say the word, and you can come out of ignorance. I'm not saying you have to change your mind, but just that you should educate yourself before saying things like "I should have been born a monkey." By saying things like that, you are not attacking the theory of evolution, but something you made up.
 
Arnold Philips said:
I beleive they are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe that the species came to be at one time 6000 years ago and also believe they came to be over a process of millions of years.

Creationism is just the beleif that God created. It can be applied to theistic evolution or literal genesis creation, or anything, provided that God is beleived to have created.
 
Featherbop said:
Arnold Philips said:
I beleive they are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe that the species came to be at one time 6000 years ago and also believe they came to be over a process of millions of years.

Creationism is just the beleif that God created. It can be applied to theistic evolution or literal genesis creation, or anything, provided that God is beleived to have created.
Then under that definition I would have to change my vote. I was under the impression that Creationism was interchangable with YEC, since that is the form I've seen the most in my experience.
 
you have missed my point entirely. evolution can not exist. everything points aginst it. no offense, but it's jsut wrong. for evolution to work, AT ALL, it relies on millions of years to do so, darwin himself said that. and it can't take millions of years for evolution to take place. if it did, everything would have died right off the bat, in one oor two hours of trying to transform. then there would be nothing left. all living things would stop being living. how can you say that god started evolution? evolution kills, it doesn't bring life.

my idea about the frog, that is not an irrelevant analogy. the frog does transform. but it is very very quickly, so it doesn't give it a chance to die. plus, it is written in the frog's genetic code to do that EVERY TIME, not jsut once, not just twice, every single time. i've never seen one frog that did not start off swimming and end up hopping on land. they are supposed to do that. and lots of evidence shows that it ahsn't changed over the milions of years.

infact, dinosaurs existed the same time man did. they stood side by side all the time. they have fossils to prove it. except, back then, tehy didn't call them "dinosaurs", they called them leviathans, sepants, dragons, things like that. these are the dinosaurs that you find in the dirt all teh time. i have one question for you. even if evolution is true, we should see LIVING creatures from the lower chain of evolution, not DEAD creatures. if they can survive long enough to reproduce, then so should the other ones. but instead, we find dead ones. and only one of them at that! even if you think that god started evolution, that's wrong, evolution is wrong, creationism is right. the earth is not 4.5 billion years old, it is roughly around 6,000-10,000 years of age. nothing less, nothing more. the creation of that took six days, max. six 24-hour-period-DAYS.you don't believe me, go to the web site http://www.drdino.com, look for the science tab, then articles, then creation Vs. evolution, then look for the topic "physics shows how six day creation is possible". after you finnish reading that, all you can say is, "well, i don't think that our galaxy is the center of the universe, so it must be wrong" and why would that be? you throw out factual evidence because you "think" it must be wrong? not very scientific. then, to back up another remark, you can go to that same site, go to the science tab, then articles, then physics, then the topic "star not billions of light years away". i agree with that, but i also have my very own idea to add to it. when the big bang exploded, it didn't take billions of light years to get to where it's at, it took some 6,000 years. that's it. how does any other "evidence" you know of show that evolution is right...with all the topics and ideas that i have given you, real evidences, can your evidence overthrow mine? if so, i want to see it. then i will decide if it overthrows anything or not.
 
Arnold Philips said:
Featherbop said:
[quote="Arnold Philips":0c520]I beleive they are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe that the species came to be at one time 6000 years ago and also believe they came to be over a process of millions of years.

Creationism is just the beleif that God created. It can be applied to theistic evolution or literal genesis creation, or anything, provided that God is beleived to have created.
Then under that definition I would have to change my vote. I was under the impression that Creationism was interchangable with YEC, since that is the form I've seen the most in my experience.[/quote:0c520]

Creationism is usually thought of as YEC, anti-evolution beleifs,etc, but it just means that one beleives that god created. Theistic evolutionists are creationists, just as much as YECs.
 
Normally, one associates "creationist" with one who denies that evolution explains common descent and the hierarchial relationship of organisms.
 
The Barbarian said:
Normally, one associates "creationist" with one who denies that evolution explains common descent and the hierarchial relationship of organisms.

It doesn't matter. A creationist is one that beleives God created. You, Barbarian, are a creationist. It doesn't matter whether you think it is something else or not.
 
Featherbop said:
The Barbarian said:
Normally, one associates "creationist" with one who denies that evolution explains common descent and the hierarchial relationship of organisms.

It doesn't matter. A creationist is one that beleives God created. You, Barbarian, are a creationist. It doesn't matter whether you think it is something else or not.

Yes, and atheist do not exist. As we all know, Featherbop is both the definer of words and the ultimate determiner of what you really believe.
 
isn't everyone? we all always like to throw our two senses into the picture.
 
cubedbee said:
Featherbop said:
The Barbarian said:
Normally, one associates "creationist" with one who denies that evolution explains common descent and the hierarchial relationship of organisms.

It doesn't matter. A creationist is one that beleives God created. You, Barbarian, are a creationist. It doesn't matter whether you think it is something else or not.

Yes, and atheist do not exist. As we all know, Featherbop is both the definer of words and the ultimate determiner of what you really believe.

Nope, you determine what you beleive. I just told you what the word for your belief is. You beleive God created, right? You are a creationist if that is the case. It matters nothing whether you like what the word is associated with.
 
Good ol' semantics, eh?

I would agree with Featherbop here. There is no necessity, by definition, for a creationist to necessarily be a young-Earth creationist. As such you can just as easily believe that god rolled the dice and let the other players take their turns, as it were.



And cd27: I'm not entirely sure what you believe here. Are you honestly suggesting that animals evolve by metamorphosis and within their own lifetimes!?

I hope not, and I hope I just misread you, because that's bonkers.
 
Featherbop said:
Creationism is just the beleif that God created. It can be applied to theistic evolution or literal genesis creation, or anything, provided that God is beleived to have created.

I suppose a better defnition would have applied. Hmm... When I mean both I mean that God created the earth and the chemicals or whetever neccesary to start the process, and then let it develop in such a fashion where it could, scientifically, qualify as evolution.

That's my personal view, actually. Time is relative, I think. I don't think the world has only been around for 6000 years (my uncle is a geologist an his influence remains... :wink: )
 
Featherbop said:
cubedbee said:
Featherbop said:
The Barbarian said:
Normally, one associates "creationist" with one who denies that evolution explains common descent and the hierarchial relationship of organisms.

It doesn't matter. A creationist is one that beleives God created. You, Barbarian, are a creationist. It doesn't matter whether you think it is something else or not.

Yes, and atheist do not exist. As we all know, Featherbop is both the definer of words and the ultimate determiner of what you really believe.

Nope, you determine what you beleive. I just told you what the word for your belief is. You beleive God created, right? You are a creationist if that is the case. It matters nothing whether you like what the word is associated with.

Yet somehow you "know" that the atheists all really believe in God, right? We've been through this discussion before. Creationism is a word that has become associated with young earth literal biblical creation, for better or worse. Just as gay is a word that has become associated with homosexuals for better or worse. You need to deal with the way the English language has evolved so that you can communicate with others. Would you like me to start calling you gay Featherbop? After all, someone who is gay is "bright and pleasant; promoting a feeling of cheer", and I would definitely say that describes your general demeanor.
 
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