No need for you to to prove anything- the way you've done a Mexican hat dance around the topic speaks volumes.cj said:No OC, if you were to take a little more time and read without your veil of offended feelings perhaps you might understand that my response was directed at your obnoxious suggestion that I "prove" something to you.Orthodox Christian said:So you admit speaking about something you've never experienced- or to put it another way, running your mouth about something you don't have the first clue about.
What was not in your "speaking" was a direct answer- just more avoidance and bluster.CJ said:No OC, you are to quick in your speaking,... as demonstrated once again in your first response; as in both the above response and that in the post before it is most obvious that you focused on something that was not in my speaking.Orthodox Christian said:It's not that I'm quick in my speaking- you're just cramped with pangs of competition in your thinking. Add to that your willingness to give unsolicited opinions about things you nothing of, throw in a dash of abusive speech, and we have the train wreck that is your post (s).
You are wrought with pride and the offended feelings that pride comes with OC, typical of persons who have given their soul to the folly ways of religion.
And spare me the IKYs (I Know You Are But What Am I).
In answer to your last question, the Rock I live under is Jesus Christ.CJ said:"Retreats" are uncommon among today's beliving body?Orthodox Christian said:And now you really show your ignorance. In point of fact, there is no "many" when it comes to prayer retreats. The practice is nearly extinct among Evangelical Protestants, and not a whole lot better among Catholics and Orthodox.
What rock do you live under OC?
In reply to your foolish argument, a 'retreat' is not a prayer retreat, now is it?
I guess if you knew the difference, you wouldn't have conflated the two.
Just what do you think that the Temple was, ultimately? "My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."CJ said:Show us all the scripture that says otherwise OC,....... come on, oh lord of so much religious knowledge,....... show us the scripture that declares "That to spend time with people whose entire lives are dedicated solely to prayer and to service, in a space reserved for same, is truly heavenly."Orthodox Christian said:More abject ignorance, speaking from pride and utter darkness
Keep in mind that the Apostles continued daily in the Temple. Where exactly do you think the upper room was?
What was happening there?
Regarding those devoted solely to prayer
A rudimentary scan through the scriptures finds clear and global support for my statement. Any Jew knows that worship of God is intimately tied to land/space. You think that everything is now spiritualized, in your gnostic fervor- but you are completely cut off from the Olive Tree in your thinking and behavior.Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples [unto them], and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
Another IKY. :roll:CJ said:
And yet another.CJ said:Yes, OC,..... I understand how your pride would cause this in you.Orthodox Christian said:At length you speak about that which you admit not having experienced, investigated, perhaps even observed on television. If I was you, I'd be feeling the fool right now.
Indeed I do, Of all the church regions mentioned in the Iohannine Apocalypse, only Laodicea ceased and became non-existent. All of the other church regions flourished until the conquering of Byzantium by the Ottoman Caliphate. What's your point?CJ said:Again OC you have exposed your high opinion of yourself, typical of those who falsely believe as those the Lord spoke of in the book of Revelation, the Laodicians.
You remember them?
I'm not going to pour through yet again your meager flames just so that I can make your point for you. The burden is upon you to communicate in a lucid manner.CJ said:OC, refer to my first sentence and then perhaps you might have a change of heart towards who really is the fool here.
Being as I answered "We Orthodox" toCJ said:
you're pretty much owned.CJ said:Typical of your Eastern Orthodox
Of course, anyone with a functioning CNS would understand why I responded "We Orthodox" to your accusation against "typical of your Eastern Orthodox."CJ said:The very uttered phrase "We Orthodox" is akin to slapping Jesus in the face.
"We Orthodox"..... "We Orthodox"...... "We Orthodox"...... "We Orthodox"...... "We Orthodox"..... "We Orthodox"...... "We Orthodox"...... "We Orthodox"...... is a stench in the nostrils of God, the stench of rotting human flesh.
OC,...... your words alone prove you are not of the Bride.
Pwned. You're going to find a more suitable reason for considering me to be a poor Christian- perhaps if you took me to task for responding to your unkindness in kind, you'd have a leg to stand on.
I'm not sure what would incline you to see that as a threat- perhaps that is the way that you would like things to go? I'm not inclined to make threats on the interwurb or in real life.CJ said:
Take the cap off your lens, CJ, and see the light.CJ said:OC, you're in darkness thus you speak much darkness.
Something you'd never do, eh?CJ said:
You didn't clarify your point or intent- you simply engaged in name-calling. Perhaps you thought I'd not notice, and either move on, or play IKYBWAI with you?CJ said:I guess if you are ignorant enough to do this with Jesus, you would have even less thought about doing it with little old me.
Read again oh darkened one, I said nothing about "doing away" with the Old Testament.
But I understand why you would lie.
CJ, you have clearly dismissed the OT right here
It's not my fault that you're too busy name-calling to make a point worth reading. Your statement dismisses the old and cuts it off from the New. Perhaps you like to clarify and qualify?Sure, expoxe your nakedness by lumping in the old way with the new way.
That's just stupid for you to deny my statement and impute motives.C said:No, you lie again.Orthodox Christian said:We see a connection between the Old and the New, with the New being that which is the full revelation of the Old. I quote scripture, and you dismiss it because it's Old Covenant.
Its not that you "see" a connection between the two, but that you would try to once again bring God's people into the bondage of the Old by corrupting the New.
You're so very close to gaining some insight into your own behavior here, there's hope yetCJ said:Satan can quote scripture OC,..... its not his words but what the words contain, death rather than life.
Like I said, some knucklehead- the same knucklehead who has become, by proxy, your pastor.CJ said:"Some knucklehead",....... how you exalt yourself in the manner of your father, oh son in darkness.Orthodox Christian said:Further, unimpeachable evidence of your rank ignorance. Nicholas was an antinomian, someone who tried to draw the people away into sexual immorality. You, of course, having read some knucklehead on the 'net who says this means "conquerer of the people"- and thus mean the Catholics- I tell you truthfully, your slim thread of credibility has snapped like a breadstick.
BTW,..... the term the way of the Nicolaitian encompasses any who would put themselves above another, this includes Rome and her daughter harlots.... and is seen in such as what you just exposed yourself as doing.
New Bible Commentary
G.E. Ladd"The Nicolaitans were reputed from early times to have been the followers of Nicolaos of Antioch, one of the seven (see Acts 6:5). We gather from 2:14,15 that they held the same error as the Balaamites, viz., teaching to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication. These were the chief matters condemned by the decree of the apostolic council (see Acts 15:29).
By this, Ladd is referring specifically to eating meat sacrificed to idols and practicing ritual fornication.Although the Pergamum Christians had held fast to Jesus' name and did not renounce their faith in him(sic) under the pressure of threatened persecution, they allowed pagan morals to influence them. A party had arisen in Pergamum which held the teaching of Balaam. Balak, king of Moab, threatened by the Israelites, had invited the prophet Balaam to curse them. Balaam had been restrained by God and to Balak's disgust had blessed rather than cursed (Num. 22-24). Subsequent to this, however, Israel had let herself become involved in harlotry and in the idolatrous worship of Baal or Peor (Num. 25:1-3), and this sin was attributed to the advice of Balaam (Num. 31:16). In our text Balaam is a prototype of those who promote compromise with paganism in idlolatry and immorality."
further, by Ladd
The context to all of this is found in the verses follwoing the rebuke of Nicolaitainism:"The teaching of the Nicolaitans. The language suggests that we are not to think of the Nicolaitans as constututing another sect, but as giving further definition of the 'teaching of Balaam.' It was the Nicolaitan heresy which promoted laxity toward the pagan practices. "Repent then, that is, of laxity toward the teaching of the Nicolaitans. The entire church is summoned to repent for a sin of which only a few were actually guilty.
Finally, this excellent commentary:Revelation 2:20-25 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
See how you keep going back to that same well? More ownage.CJ said:Your words suggest somethimg different OC...... Over and over again.Orthodox Christian said:And I have said it before- I worship God and God alone. To insist that I do otherwise is nothing more than a personal attack- and a weak one at that.
Your use of the term "We Orthodox" is simply more proof of this.
You worship what you think you are. This is not true worship of He who is.
In your words, bully for you. I could have guessed as much- some men are too proud to receive instruction.CJ said:
The deep hidden meaning is that you tried to slam priests, and it backfired on you.CJ said:And as for petticoats, perhaps if you put a little more thought into it you might come to understand the deeper meaning behind my use of the word petticoat.
'Scuse, cuz I kissed some guy'CJ said:
I stand by what I said.[/quote:8802b]CJ said:[quote="Orthodox Christian":8802b]Read the whole verse and get learnt......Orthodox Christian said:Finally, your exegesis regarding the Temple and the mountain is off the mark completely. The Temple of which Paul and Peter spoke of is the ekklesia, it is collective, and it is spoken of without reference to time. The mountain is referenced in Hebrews also, and it is the Church.
Neither of these have anything to do with prayer retreats,; neither advocate for or against when, where, and how.
"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect
What- stand by your error after it is pointed out? You wouldn't do that, would you? I think that is what they call 'choosing to remain in the dark.'
I'll try to keep that in mind.