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Section 1 - Behavior

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OK
Here's the final draft, as per your adjustments, for Section One.
Draft Three.2
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Grant others the courtesy to be understood and acknowledge their

views. As best as one is capable, speak truth in love.

Mathew 7:12, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13


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This is terrible and unacceptable to me.
There must be a better way of doing this....

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1.1 Matthew is misspelled so the scripture link doesn't work - 2 t's is the correct spelling

members should be 13 - did that one need a bullet point too or did you mean it to stand out from the rest of the rules?

looks awesome - great work wondering and StoveBolts

PS - this is a little hard to understand as worded : Grant others the courtesy to be understood and acknowledge their views.

are you saying that we should: Grant others the courtesy OF ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR VIEWS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING?

unless i am misunderstanding
 
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1.1 Matthew is misspelled so the scripture link doesn't work - 2 t's is the correct spelling

members should be 13 - did that one need a bullet point too or did you mean it to stand out from the rest of the rules?

looks awesome - great work wondering and StoveBolts

PS - this is a little hard to understand as worded : Grant others the courtesy to be understood and acknowledge their views.

are you saying that we should: Grant others the courtesy OF ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR VIEWS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING?

unless i am misunderstanding
And I just shut down the computer... I'll fix tomorrow.

Too often we get in modes where we only hear what we want to hear, so we cherry pick what another says and unintentionally misrepresent them. We like the sound of our own voice and we like to hear ourselves talk.

God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason. But on the internet, not only do we have two hands, but we also have 10 fingers.

Sometimes we need to grant the other person some common courtesy and listen to what they have to say, and try to understand it in the premise and tone they intend. Whether we agree or disagree, we need to let the other person know we accurately understand them.

Ever wonder why people repeat themselves? It's because they dont feel like they have been heard.

As we get older, our natural inclination is to teach and we loose our inhabition to be good students. Too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the stew. We need to let others teach when it is our turn to play student.
 

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And I just shut down the computer... I'll fix tomorrow.

Too often we get in modes where we only hear what we want to hear, so we cherry pick what another says and unintentionally misrepresent them. We like the sound of our own voice and we like to hear ourselves talk.

God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason. But on the internet, not only do we have two hands, but we also have 10 fingers.

Sometimes we need to grant the other person some common courtesy and listen to what they have to say, and try to understand it in the premise and tone they intend. Whether we agree or disagree, we need to let the other person know we accurately understand them.

Ever wonder why people repeat themselves? It's because they dont feel like they have been heard.

As we get older, our natural inclination is to teach and we loose our inhabition to be good students. Too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the stew. We need to let others teach when it is our turn to play student.
amen - well said
 

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So, wrap it in a nice bow for me. How would you re-write it to make it clear, yet remain concise?
i would have to work on that - wondering does a wonderful job of that though - she seems to have a gift for re-writing concepts

so i will start working on it now and if wondering beats me too it so much the better
 
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Hi SB,
As per your arrangements, please post the final copy of
Section Two in the permanent thread for the TOS.
If necessary, I'll email you the final copy.

Also, I'd like to begin on Section Two today...as soon as I have your go-ahead.

P.S. You should be posting Three.3
(check your email)
 

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Hi SB,
As per your arrangements, please post the final copy of
Section Two in the permanent thread for the TOS.
If necessary, I'll email you the final copy.

Also, I'd like to begin on Section Two today...as soon as I have your go-ahead.

P.S. You should be posting Three.3
(check your email)
Your good for section 2!
I'm swamped until mid evening over here. I'll fix the TOS page tonight as well as moving section 1 accordingly.

Thanks for all your help!
 

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Alright wondering, all done.
(Except copying it to the first post... I think we'll be fine just putting it in the TOS page)
Onward to section 2. This should be good.

For the record, I don't see any problems allowing Catholic discussions as long as they don't turn into hate battles. I understand that many feel the Catholic church is the anti-christ, but I just don't see it that way. Also, most people don't understand that the Catholic church is much, much bigger than the Roman Catholic church.

One thing we will not open up for promotion are writings that are rejected by both the Jews, Orthodoxy and the majority of Christianity. I'm thinking of books like Enoch and gnostic writings like the gospel of Thomas etc. For those books like Enoch, chabad.org has a list of rejected writings and I can post a link when the time comes. Anything on that list is off limits for anyone to pedal "enhancements" to our canon.

Anyway, we need to all agree or find viable solutions for controversial conversations to occur, but in a manner that is focused on reconciliation and not division. Honestly, I don't know what that will look like and I want to hear what others have to offer.
I'll shelve this discussion until then.
 

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Anyway, we need to all agree or find viable solutions for controversial conversations to occur, but in a manner that is focused on reconciliation and not division. Honestly, I don't know what that will look like and I want to hear what others have to offer.
I'll shelve this discussion until then.
for me the goal of try to understand others and try to be understood keeps things interesting and enlightening

when the goal becomes trying to prove the other guy wrong the discussion becomes hurtful to those whose precious beliefs get publicly attacked

Romans 14 discusses how each of us have precious personal beliefs we incorporate into how we connect with God in a deep and personal way - and paul encourages us to NOT destroy that heartfelt passion of worshipful love toward God

i have many times argued with people over what i found out later was a precious treasured belief - and my argument trampled /crushed /destroyed their sense of joy and wonder over how they worshipped/believed/thought about/ connected with God in a deep personal life changing way - and then much later i found out they were right and i was wrong - but too late - i destroyed the beauty of something precious to them by my stronger but wrong argument

iow i don't think we should turn a precious belief by one person or group into a theological discussion - because all theological discussions are based on people's opinions - no one knows for sure how God feels about osas / calvinism / catholicism / and all the other beliefs that are precious to some and anathema to others

imo the theology forum can be just as harmful as the political forum due to the fact that deep precious beliefs are more than theology to most of us - they are the CORE way we relate to God - and damaging the way someone relates to God should be curbed/disallowed

the better way imo is for each person to share what and why they believe as they do - and then others ask questions for clarification - and then let the onlookers decide what sounds more applicable to them - without having others attack anyone's treasured beliefs - or denomination/leaders/founders

a wise person can bring out the truth by asking questions - there really is no need to publically attack a group or their beliefs

for example discussing osas could include:
1. what is osas?
2. what are the alternative streams of thought

an in depth conversation could occur on this basis without ever attacking either belief

almost like a buyers report of all the options - rather than a hit piece against one of the options

imo the theology forum should be replaced with a faith forum and a bible study forum - and the rules should be:
1. share your faith/bible interpretation without attacking another person's/group's faith/ bible interpretation -
2. you may ask questions about another member's faith/bible interpretation but you may not make derogatory comments -
3. you may present your faith belief/bible interpretation as an alternate stream but not to attack other's belief/bible interpretation

if attack/debate/argue is disallowed that only leaves present what you believe and why without making any comment about what another person believes and why - that would force us all to seek to understand others and be understood by others
 
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Romans 14 discusses how each of us have precious personal beliefs we incorporate into how we connect with God in a deep and personal way - and paul encourages us to NOT destroy that heartfelt passion of worshipful love toward God

i have many times argued with people over what i found out later was a precious treasured belief - and my argument trampled /crushed /destroyed their sense of joy and wonder over how they worshipped/believed/thought about/ connected with God in a deep personal life changing way - and then much later i found out they were right and i was wrong - but too late - i destroyed the beauty of something precious to them by my stronger but wrong argument

What a wonderful expression of thought.


Well said.



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