Bible Study was Jesus a Commandment breaker

[Bob10]

Some Protestant sects say Jesus broke one of the Ten Commandments in order to do away with it. Guess which one they say He broke ? --- could it be the one Christians break !

When Jesus was called into account for doing certain things on the Sabbath, it was not for violating specified Old Testament prohibitions, but for disavowal of non-inspired, traditional regulations written by men concerning the Sabbath.

The Old Testament did not forbid one to pick ears of grain on the Sabbath to eat on the spot. Yet when Jesus and His disciples did this He was called to account. The reason? Because the religious leaders had classified picking ears as "reaping" and rubbing loose the grain as "threshing."


The incident of the disciples plucking grain to eat in the fields (Mt. 12:1-8; Mk. 2:23-28; Lk. 6:1-5) was specifically permitted in the Old Testament (Deut. 23:25).

They were accused only of Sabbath-breaking. Jesus did not defend their actions on the grounds that the Sabbath was done away.

Rather, He used relevant analogies: David and the showbread (KJ.Vâ€â€"bread of the Presence," RSV) and the priests in the temple. It was only after He had shown that the actions of the disciples were not a true violation of the Sabbath that He asserted, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mk. 2:27-28).

By this means He showed not that the Sabbath was done away but rather the correct spirit in which to keep the Sabbath. Jesus was clearly a Sabbath-keeper, not a Sabbath-breaker.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Jesus is God, he can do as he wishes on the sabbath. Jesus was above the Law because he gave man the laws. imo

 

[Bob10]

Hi Brutus/HisCatalyst


Jesus is sinless, therefore He could not have transgressed any of the Ten Commandments.

 

[Everyday Person]

Jesus is God, he can do as he wishes on the sabbath. Jesus was above the Law because he gave man the laws. imo

So his a hypocrite in other words?

 

[Restin]

Purpose of law

The Purpose of Law

• Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' 40 " On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
  
  Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control;
  against such things there is no law.
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

The Purpose of the Law, is to bring forth the fruits of the Spirit.
Jesus is the SABBATH unvelied -- the source of the fruits of the Spirit.!

.......Restin

 

[Eve777]

"The just shall live by faith!"

Until Jesus and His seed, Israel had been under the law. But God had always preferred it to be by grace in the first place! He knew and always had in mind that one day, He was gonna change His policy with His people. He would make a new Covenant with the believers in His Messiah! A new Testament! A new righteousness! The righteousness which is of faith!

Paul says that we are now free from the law, as a wife is freed from her dead husband:

Romans 7:4 "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Wow! Now we are married to Christ, to Jesus! To mercy and truth!

"For the law came by Moses, but mercy and truth came by Jesus Christ!

And we are now subject to His law! The law of Love & Mercy! The law of Christ! As Paul said to the Galatians:

5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

That sure simplifies things, doesn’t it?

 

[guibox]

Actually, it magnifies it. Most people try so hard to 'do away' with the moral law and replace it with a 'love' law. Considering that the 10 commandments are all about loving God and loving your neighbor, we have problems here.

Christ said, "I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill'. To make fulfill mean to that the law is being done away with with the realization of Christ is to make Christ contradict himself.

Rather than do away with the law, Christ made it even more serious "You have been told, 'do not kill'. I say unto you that whoever hates his brother has killed. You have heard 'do not commit adultery' but I say that whoever lusts after a woman has committed adultery with her already in his heart"

The law of love based on 'better promises' was that the spirit would write the law in our hearts. A changed heart doesn't need stone tablets, it will want to follow God's laws.

As for Paul most people don't understand the differences in the laws and the function of the law. Paul condemns the law to be used as a means of salvation, but honors the law when it is used for its rightful purpose: to send us to Christ who can free us from the condemnation of the law.

You see being under the law' means to be under the condemnation of the law. We are condemned to die because breakin the law demands it. Christ made us 'free from the law' not that it doesn't need to be obeyed, but that the power of death and condemnation no longer applies. "Therefore there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

So many people misunderstand what the law was for and the issues Paul was trying to make.

Anybody who says the law has been done away with and replaced with the law of love hasn't truly read his bible.

 

[Bob10]

It was forbidden by extra-biblical Jewish law to treat a sickness when the sick person's life was in no immediate danger. Although being watched by the Pharisees and scribes, Jesus healed a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath (Mt. 12:9-14; Mk. 3:1-6; Lk. 6:6-11).

To defend Himself He used the analogy of pulling a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. This shows that it was not His intent to break the Sabbath but to show that relieving suffering was wholly consistent with the purpose of the day.



Similarly, when He healed a cripple who had been ill 38 years, He told the man to pick UP his pallet and go home (Jn. 5:8). This carrying of a few ounces of weight was in no way a violation of the law against bearing a burden on the Sabbath (Jer. 17:21,22 ,27). It was only in the opinion of certain on looking religious leaders that He had violated the Sabbath discussions given in the gospels. (Other healings are also described in such passages as John 9; Luke 13:10-13; 14:2-4.)

http://intercontinentalcog.org/ICGCC/Lesson_Seven.shtml

 

[Restin]

Under Law -- Under Grace

Under Law -- Under Grace

• Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
  
  Galatians 4:3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, " Abba! Father!" 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son;
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

You are still under the law, if you are immoral or do immoral things.

Under grace -- you have put elemental things behind.

guibox and Eve777 -- Appreciate comments

...........Restin

 

[Blazin Bones]

Jesus is God, he can do as he wishes on the sabbath. Jesus was above the Law because he gave man the laws. imo

So his a hypocrite in other words?

First to Bob, You are correct. I Guess I didn't express that clearly enough. I will try to explain as I respond to EDP.

When the sabbath was set aside it was so that man could stop and Give glory to God. When Jesus healed this man he did just that. No hypocrisy involved, just doing that which he could to bring Glory to the Father, a healing in that case.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Why dont you guys just worship on the right day and stop looking like fools?

 

[Adams son]

Why dont you guys just worship on the right day and stop looking like fools?

Who said this?

For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

 

[Eve777]

Why dont you guys just worship on the right day and stop looking like fools?

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


If you believe that is the Day you should worship, then do it. I don't esteem one day above another.....I feel we should set aside one day to worship and bring our tithes but I don't think it matters which....Most do observe Sunday because the Early Church did....that's good enough for me.

 

[DrDiotte]

Christ said, "I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill'.

Yep Yep that is what he said. And so many misunderstood the laws so he did what the bible said we all should do....
"14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."
By saying Love thy neighbor as thyself and you would be walking the path of the Lord..

But now people see that as TOO easy and try to discredit it.
Jesus doesn’t LIE so when he said that I KNOW he meant it.

 

[City Of God]

Jesus never transgressed God's perfect law of love which would have made him a sinner and disqualified him as the Lamb without blemish. Jesus kept the sabbath according to the commandment of God, he did not however submit to the Jewish customs and commandments of men. This is why the Pharisees wanted to kill him. To say that Jesus broke the law is to say he is a sinner and that nullifies the cross. The sabbath was meant to be a Joy, the Pharisees were making it a burden.

 

[auntie]

Why dont you guys just worship on the right day and stop looking like fools?

why dont your read your bible and stop looking foolish?

Jesus himself said he came to fulfill the law...that means we dont have to...basic comman sense.

 

[Bob10]

auntie

Jesus himself said he came to fulfill the law...that means we dont have to...basic comman sense.

Yes, Jesus came to fulfil (Greek > Pleroo) the law --- to fill it up, to fill to the full -- fulfil - Matt. 5:17.


The fact that Paul expected Gentiles to keep the law is demonstrated in many scriptures throughout the book of Romans (e.g. Rom. 3:31; 7:12, 22; etc.)

Romans 2:25-29 is especially interesting and direct, though often overlooked. Here uncircumcised Gentiles are admonished to be circumcised of the heart (v. 29) and to become Jews inwardly by keeping "the righteousness of the law" (v. 26) and by fulfilling the law (v. 27). (Obviously Paul could not have meant the full Sinaitic Covenant in his use of the term "law" here, since circumcision was a part of the law.) Only with God's Holy Spirit, through Christ, can a human being fulfill the righteousness of the law (Rom. 8:4) and "delight in the law of God after the inward man" (Rom. 7:22).

 

[GodSaves]

You know Bob, the Pharisees accused Jesus of the same thing you are doing now. So lets take a look at what Jesus had to say to them about this:

Matthew 9:5-7
"Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 6But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins....†Then he said to the paralytic, “Get up, take your mat and go home.†7And the man got up and went home."

Times change, but the attitude towards Christ seems to stay the same for many.

 

[greyfeather]

Was Jesus a comandment breaker

Jesus was not a comandment breaker! In fact If you look at what Jesus said about the law you see what I mean.

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

 

[Adams son]

Re: Was Jesus a comandment breaker

Jesus was not a comandment breaker! In fact If you look at what Jesus said about the law you see what I mean.

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

John himself said that Jesus broke the Sabbath Law.