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Why I disagree with Preterism

JohnD

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Preterism (full or in part) believes that most or all of Revelation (and therefore prophecy) has already been fulfilled. That the judgement on Jerusalem and the Jews in the First Century CE was the Great Tribulation and the final break away of God from those who reject Christ in Israel.
 
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I believe rather than "unbiblical" the term should be "inconsist". With my view of scripture The Bible is used, but very inconsistently -- some things are literal, and when convenient (or inconvenient) allegorical or symbolical. Anything can mean anything.

To add a little more detail from Wikipedia (readily available to all)
Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. Daniel is interpreted as events that happened in the second century BC, while Revelation is interpreted as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is listed in Webster's 1913 dictionary as a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond", signifying that either all or a majority of Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70. Adherents of preterism are commonly known as preterists....

Partial preterism
Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. Some partial preterists identify "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17–18) with the pagan Roman Empire, though some, such as N.T. Wright and David Chilton, identify it with the city of Jerusalem. Most interpretations identify Nero as the Beast,while his mark is often interpreted as the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell. However, others believe the Book of Revelation was written after Nero committed suicide in AD 68, and identify the Beast with another emperor. The Catholic Encyclopedia has noted that Revelation was "written during the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, probably in AD 95 or 96". Many Protestant scholars agree. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.

Full preterism
Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.
 
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Preterism (full or in part) believes that most or all of Revelation (and therefore prophecy) has already been fulfilled. That the judgement on Jerusalem and the Jews in the First Century CE was the Great Tribulation and the final break away of God from those who reject Christ in Israel.
What does that mean to you, regarding revelation.
 

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(Edited, ToS 2.6: A member may not impose additional rules upon threads. This includes dictating who may or may not post in a thread. Obadiah)

(Edited ToS 2.4, Rudeness. Obadiah)
 
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(Post removed. response to deleted post. Obadiah)
 
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This was to open a dialogue / debate with preterists.

Since you are not a Christian, poetofparables, no offense, but dialoguing with you on this topic would be a tremendous waste of time.
I think there is a specific forum for this discussion. Sub- forum under End Times forum?
 
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Ok great, now what was my question. To the OP, what does the book of revelations mean to you now you have this preterism idea.
 

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I believe rather than "unbiblical" the term should be "inconsist". With my view of scripture The Bible is used, but very inconsistently -- some things are literal, and when convenient (or inconvenient) allegorical or symbolical. Anything can mean anything.

To add a little more detail from Wikipedia (readily available to all)
You have my affirmative vote on that.
 
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Preterism is biblical. The only question is to what extent. Futurism is every bit as inconsistent with the methods of biblical interpretation as the myriad of preterist views. What is important, beyond their truth, is how these various views promote the great commission.
 

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Preterism is biblical. The only question is to what extent. Futurism is every bit as inconsistent with the methods of biblical interpretation as the myriad of preterist views. What is important, beyond their truth, is how these various views promote the great commission.
I cant say I disagree with that.
 

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and futurism doesn't do that with words? shortlty doesn't mean that? soon doesn't mean that? standing here isn't really standing. related is the words standing here. its is common usage in the army to say some soldiers standing here are .. and that is literally what are doing in formation.
 

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Now, Jason..... you KNOW "soon" means 1981 years into the future. It's as clear as a bell.
 

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I cant say I disagree with that.
OK Jason. Please tell us if we are living in the Millenium how can sin and evil exist and also grow exponentially? How do you account for Islamist terrorism in the Millenium? You claim to be an Amillenialist so please provide some satisfactory evidence that we are literally now in the Millenium. If not, then dump that mythical "Wonderland" belief.
 

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Ok great, now what was my question. To the OP, what does the book of revelations mean to you now you have this preterism idea.
Preterism is not being promoted by JohnD. He called it "unbiblical". I called it "inconsistent" -- maybe "mythical" is more accurate.
 

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LOL...... we get so confused and flustered, just hoping to find an argument with SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, about SOMETHING, that we can't even keep up with what side we're arguing from.
 

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OK Jason. Please tell us if we are living in the Millenium how can sin and evil exist and also grow exponentially? How do you account for Islamist terrorism in the Millenium? You claim to be an Amillenialist so please provide some satisfactory evidence that we are literally now in the Millenium. If not, then dump that mythical "Wonderland" belief.
amil doesn't have any millennium. so kindly add that to the question. and I ask when did grace end in the millennium and the free will to choose to sin or not? oh wait that isn't said in that doctrine its said that God will kill those then and there for their sin. yet he seems to have larger following during the millennial reign then the church. oh it gets better, when isreal the non church Hebrews that well aren't mosaic in nature, preach to the goyim and the goy get saved? what are the goyim? Hebrews or part of the church? what body are they?
 

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LOL...... we get so confused and flustered, just hoping to find an argument with SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, about SOMETHING, that we can't even keep up with what side we're arguing from.
true.
 

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Preterism is biblical. The only question is to what extent. Futurism is every bit as inconsistent with the methods of biblical interpretation as the myriad of preterist views. What is important, beyond their truth, is how these various views promote the great commission.
Do you believe Jesus Christ has already come a second time and that the Resurrection is past?
 

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Preterism is not being promoted by JohnD. He called it "unbiblical". I called it "inconsistent" -- maybe "mythical" is more accurate.
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John's OP seems to be consistent with your interpretation of Preterism.
 
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