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[WIP]

And God driven chances to minister and find your gift in person .
I much rather help my fellow man then have him pay me .though I can and have enjoyed the other side .

My neighbor said that to my wife as I helped him fix his trailer and car at no charge

Cash is nice and sometimes very helpful but when we give of ourselves it can also show great love.

 

[Golgotha]

I have been since 2009.

While some have helped me and I others .this isn't a church .

My dad being dead for a month lies waiting .until now will be buried .money was the problem .my pastor didn't have to but he did .he will officiate at no cost ,members gave .plus a family friend .

Amy off the wall doctrine can and has entered your church doors .just simply become part of the worship,elder team and it will be seen .

Or a ministry . The things the elders say in my church but they don't debate it endlessly like some here .

And yet Jesus did warn that false prophets and thus false doctrines an enter a church to be carried on as tradition when scripture does not really teach it. So one can hope in Him that He will allow an iron sharpen iron among the elders when proving all things by the scripture if a certain teaching or practice should continue.

But that in no way excuse the individual believer from leaning on Him to find the truth in His words in proving all things in the church or from their favorite Christian leader since Jesu Christ is the real and ever present Good Shepherd to each of us. may He help us to realize that and believe in Him to do that, as applying our faith in Him.

 

[Golgotha]

A couple disadvantages of relying on this forum or any online or distant forum for all fellowship that I have experienced, particularly with live worship closures in 2020, is missing out on in-person fellowship and the sacrament of Holy Communion.

My former Presbyterian church used to begin communion with "We come into His Presence today" and that bothered me. Are we walking away from His Presence after communion? No. Then why say that? Why not keep our words to mean what we believe since He is in us since salvation and will never leave us so there is no coming to His Presence at communion, nor going away from His Presence after communion.

And there would be no receiving Him again since salvation for why Christ's Presence is not in the wine and the bread which is why He plainly stated to do communion in remembrance of Him. If communion was to be done for more than in remembrance of Him, as something far more important to receive at communion, then scripture & Jesus would have led with that, but no.

So I do not believe the term "holy" should be added to communion and I believe sacraments should be a term dropped from references to the bread & the wine only because it makes communion more than what it is for doing it in remembrance of Him.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 applies to that false teaching of Christ's Presence being in the bread & the wine just as much as it does for those thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again supernaturally by outward signs apart from salvation again & again & again.

Doing communion only in remembrance of Him is remembering what He has done by His death in having ransomed us and having saved us for all that believe in Him for why Jesus Christ is in us since salvation as filled for why there is no hunger nor thirst in seeking to receive Him again in any shape or form, bread or spirit wise.

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

So how shall we be filled? By coming to and believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

That is why we are not leaky vessels that we need to receive Him again by any means.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

So even though the church may not even consider proving any long held practice by the scriptures, that does not negate the believer from doing it with Christ's help.

Doing communion in remembrance of Him really should reflect our faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[jasonc]

And yet Jesus did warn that false prophets and thus false doctrines an enter a church to be carried on as tradition when scripture does not really teach it. So one can hope in Him that He will allow an iron sharpen iron among the elders when proving all things by the scripture if a certain teaching or practice should continue.

But that in no way excuse the individual believer from leaning on Him to find the truth in His words in proving all things in the church or from their favorite Christian leader since Jesu Christ is the real and ever present Good Shepherd to each of us. may He help us to realize that and believe in Him to do that, as applying our faith in Him.

Honestly since my brother learned as he is gifted and has debated on radio and national programs .why unless it's called .

Even he won't argue non essential doctrines on end with me or online like forums .

My brother has no degree .he debated a few atheists ,the reformed vs arminist debates .

That was implied .imagine if all your church did was talk about politics,end times like here .

Imagine if your pastor said f joe Biden .

As much as I can't stand the potus,Romans 13 was written during church persecution,Paul was soft but firm with his accusers .online forums aren't that way .

I can disconnect from my view and explore the opposite view .I simply tire of endless debates that accomplish nothing .

I can't name one person who I actually changed by posting here .I did change my eschatology and political stance but that was a minor shift on politics and on eschatology I'm more of I don't know .I know the spectrum on that

 

[Golgotha]

Honestly since my brother learned as he is gifted and has debated on radio and national programs .why unless it's called .

Even he won't argue non essential doctrines on end with me or online like forums .

My brother has no degree .he debated a few atheists ,the reformed vs arminist debates .

That was implied .imagine if all your church did was talk about politics,end times like here .

Imagine if your pastor said f joe Biden .

As much as I can't stand the potus,Romans 13 was written during church persecution,Paul was soft but firm with his accusers .online forums aren't that way .

I can disconnect from my view and explore the opposite view .I simply tire of endless debates that accomplish nothing .

I can't name one person who I actually changed by posting here .I did change my eschatology and political stance but that was a minor shift on politics and on eschatology I'm more of I don't know .I know the spectrum on that

I had hoped He helped me to convey that one can give assurance of salvation to believers that were doubting because of those who preach otherwise. You do not have to go to war against those who teach otherwise, but you can fight the good fight of faith for those doubting or going astray because of the discussion in the forum or in church, relying on God to cause the increase since it is His ministry to recover the lost by the scriptures provided in the KJV.

 

[jasonc]

I had hoped He helped me to convey that one can give assurance of salvation to believers that were doubting because of those who preach otherwise. You do not have to go to war against those who teach otherwise, but you can fight the good fight of faith for those doubting or going astray because of the discussion in the forum or in church, relying on God to cause the increase since it is His ministry to recover the lost by the scriptures provided in the KJV.

I'm not kjvo .



Is the perfect bible the 1611,akjv only 11 exist on print and they have the apocrypha,the 1768 oxford edition or the late 1800s Cambridge edition .
My church uses but doesn't require the bible to be an esv.

You do realize that much better translations exist .I can read old English because I read early American maps and accounts in era English .

No one uses viz,albeit,perchance,etc in modern times or spells city as citee,

I have a dear chaplain friend who is fluent in five tongues which version should he use for the preserved scriptures in Korean, Tagalog,French, Acadian French,Spanish should he use ?

My pastor can write and understand Hebrew and has translated family Graves and our letters on family bar mitzvah to English .

It's silly to assume that only the kiv is the best translation.

Logic is another thread .that kills the need for the myriad of translations in English

 

[Golgotha]

I'm not kjvo .

Is the perfect bible the 1611,akjv only 11 exist on print and they have the apocrypha,the 1768 oxford edition or the late 1800s Cambridge edition .
My church uses but doesn't require the bible to be an esv.

You do realize that much better translations exist .I can read old English because I read early American maps and accounts in era English .

No one uses viz,albeit,perchance,etc in modern times or spells city as citee,

I have a dear chaplain friend who is fluent in five tongues which version should he use for the preserved scriptures in Korean, Tagalog,French, Acadian French,Spanish should he use ?

My pastor can write and understand Hebrew and has translated family Graves and our letters on family bar mitzvah to English .

It's silly to assume that only the kiv is the best translation.

Logic is another thread .that kills the need for the myriad of translations in English

I prefer not to use that label KJVO because it has come to mean many different things, but I do rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

Now as much contentions has been given against the KJV Bible, those who contend will say the KJV is a good Bible but they prefer such and such version. Then they wind up saying that because not all Bibles are saying the same thing, we need to learn the Greek & Hebrew. And I have not seen those who studied the Greek & Hebrew agree about what John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 should have Spirit capitalized or not.

And that is because as much as they hype against the KJV as hard to understand ( I can read it just fine ), wisdom still has to come from the Lord no matter what and that includes me. in using the KJV because like it or not I have fund cults using the KJV claiming to only use the KJV, but then when I correct them, they go to Bibe NET.

So the reason I prefer only the KJV is because other modern Bibles have changed the message in His words to sow doubts in that modern bible, as those changed message supports false teachings whereas the KJV does not but kept the "meat" of His words for me to discern good & evil by it to expose those false teachings by showing the actual message in the KJV.

Do I see places in the KJV that could be translated better? Like Revelation 3:5 is a double negative in the Greek as the clearer message that He would never blot out any name in the Book of life thus keeping in line with the scripture in John 6:37-40 where He loses none of all the Father has given Him.

Then there is that one in Luke 17:37 for how gathered together is from the Greek word "sunago" meaning to receive with hospitality ; ie to entertain as in to resort in. And there is aeros which is wing like flight or eagles for how they were taken.

Some modern Bibles has eagles as vultures because of their assumption of what that body is; a corpse and derive from that in changing the whole message for why believers need to be ready to go from Luke 17:26-37 as if it is the bad guys that will be taken out.

Anyway, I can only hope in the Lord that He is helping you to see & understand why I do not prefer that title KJVO but why I do rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words. For me to get involved in proving why believers should only rely on the KJV takes away time in exposing apostasy and false teachings by the KJV which only God can help them see the truth in His words in the KJV to take over modern Bibles that says otherwise.

 

[jasonc]

I prefer not to use that label KJVO because it has come to mean many different things, but I do rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

Now as much contentions has been given against the KJV Bible, those who contend will say the KJV is a good Bible but they prefer such and such version. Then they wind up saying that because not all Bibles are saying the same thing, we need to learn the Greek & Hebrew. And I have not seen those who studied the Greek & Hebrew agree about what John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 should have Spirit capitalized or not.

And that is because as much as they hype against the KJV as hard to understand ( I can read it just fine ), wisdom still has to come from the Lord no matter what and that includes me. in using the KJV because like it or not I have fund cults using the KJV claiming to only use the KJV, but then when I correct them, they go to Bibe NET.

So the reason I prefer only the KJV is because other modern Bibles have changed the message in His words to sow doubts in that modern bible, as those changed message supports false teachings whereas the KJV does not but kept the "meat" of His words for me to discern good & evil by it to expose those false teachings by showing the actual message in the KJV.

Do I see places in the KJV that could be translated better? Like Revelation 3:5 is a double negative in the Greek as the clearer message that He would never blot out any name in the Book of life thus keeping in line with the scripture in John 6:37-40 where He loses none of all the Father has given Him.

Then there is that one in Luke 17:37 for how gathered together is from the Greek word "sunago" meaning to receive with hospitality ; ie to entertain as in to resort in. And there is aeros which is wing like flight or eagles for how they were taken.

Some modern Bibles has eagles as vultures because of their assumption of what that body is; a corpse and derive from that in changing the whole message for why believers need to be ready to go from Luke 17:26-37 as if it is the bad guys that will be taken out.

Anyway, I can only hope in the Lord that He is helping you to see & understand why I do not prefer that title KJVO but why I do rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words. For me to get involved in proving why believers should only rely on the KJV takes away time in exposing apostasy and false teachings by the KJV which only God can help them see the truth in His words in the KJV to take over modern Bibles that says otherwise.

Are you sure in Hebrew that they make a distinction

What is the exactly cubit or span size in the bible?

What is the exact length of the temple so that if I built it would be indentical as if the only cubit known length was to the builders ear .either 18 or 21 inches

Look I can use and ask my elders who some speak Hebrew and Greek to know .

You cant argue that the kiv even that perfect since you just admitted to that it was upgraded as the word baptize wasn't in the English language then in 1611. Transliteration.

Nor can we directly translate the Greek to English .

I dont need a perfect bible as their grey areas to know.such as

Corners of the field .that can be a literal corner or the edge .Hebrew simply isn't that exact.

Is it a five or three part soul?

The old testament says 5 the new says three.

Is His name Lord,or The YHWH?

This is why commentaries and men who are called are blessings.

 

[jasonc]

Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today | Bible.org

First, I want to affirm with all evangelical Christians that the Bible is the Word of God, inerrant, inspired, and our final authority for faith and life. However, nowhere in the Bible am I told that only one translation of it is the correct one. Nowhere am I told that the King James Bible is...

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If interested read .I have the ability to read that level and era English because I spent years I'm the KJV but know it's not perfect .

I was a jw,the Lord used the church that used the KJV to reach me none were kjvo

 

[Corn Pop]

At a church there is a teacher who speaks, so one person is talking and everyone else is listening.

 

[Edward]

I can't name one person who I actually changed by posting here .I did change my eschatology and political stance but that was a minor shift on politics and on eschatology I'm more of I don't know .I know the spectrum on that

Oh you don't know that. There's no way of knowing how many seeds you have planted in others minds that tick and get watered by later by others. Then God gives the increase.

 

[Edward]

I used to think that Fellowshipping on here was just as good as going to church...but the Lord taught me the biggest reason they want us to go to a church with others...

God wants us to worship Him corporately. As a body.

That takes your presence in church.

 

[Corn Pop]

I like church fellowship music. One time I went to church and it was great everyone singing having a good time praising the Lord.

 

[jasonc]

Oh you don't know that. There's no way of knowing how many seeds you have planted in others minds that tick and get watered by later by others. Then God gives the increase.

Arguing for years .seriously .do you seriously expect me to debate my wife who is likely lost .in incessant argument daily online or simply be a good husband.

You take things out of context .I have been here before you .

Not one person we endlessly debated was one or changed by these lengthy pages .

If so they would have come back to say .

My own my brother did I lead to repent and it wasnt a debate .just asked if he knew Jesus as led.

He was led by God .

I'm hardly anti apologetics but not all are called .where is the elders here teaching proper apologetics .my church has an elder who has done it and another who did it and the pastor .these are simple things to win .not engage in length arguments

Look I was anti hell,anti war anti trinitarian .

No debate got me .prayer by some as led ,plus timed words .

I know where to go .but unless you are called into apologetics as I know some.my brother is one it's a passion.

I much rather rip apart a car ,go help anyway.theh post hours or days on a subject .I can find my defenses and I still know how to research .

I woke up and ate in my work truck and read a libertarian view on why the pledge is very anti American and understood their argument and given American history I agree that has merit .

Hint the federal government wasn't meant to be that powerful to have your loyalty your state was.

I knew this from reading accounts .history often forces me to understand context and observe.

Local history I explore .I have 200 photos to process of graves alone to post and store on my PC from my camera


The black buffalo soldiers were praised while partaking in forced removals of indians .

Or how about laying a wreath on a grave of an American cpt who partook in the trail of tears . Seminoles were part of that .

It forces me to think.

But while that is a hobby ,I simply don't enjoy people and I don't go picking and debating random who are lost in person without God leading.

I felt simply praying for vets who I see calling for help to stop the demons I know . I can relate .

 

[Golgotha]

Are you sure in Hebrew that they make a distinction

Not sure why you are referring to the Hebrew due to the 2 examples given.

What is the exactly cubit or span size in the bible?

What is the exact length of the temple so that if I built it would be indentical as if the only cubit known length was to the builders ear .either 18 or 21 inches

Look I can use and ask my elders who some speak Hebrew and Greek to know .

Not sure why you are asking questions unrelated to what I was talking about.

It is almost like asking me if God is so powerful , can He create a rock He cannot lift?

You cant argue that the kiv even that perfect since you just admitted to that it was upgraded as the word baptize wasn't in the English language then in 1611. Transliteration.

Nor can we directly translate the Greek to English .

I dont need a perfect bible as their grey areas to know.such as

Corners of the field .that can be a literal corner or the edge .Hebrew simply isn't that exact.

Is it a five or three part soul?

The old testament says 5 the new says three.

Is His name Lord,or The YHWH?

This is why commentaries and men who are called are blessings.

All I can say, brother, is that if and when you have a hard time correcting someone from your modern Bible, or they are convincing you of what you had believed was a false teaching, check with the KJV in what that says in that scriptural reference, before you go on.

No harm in doing that in relying on the Lord to help you find the truth in His actual words..

 

[jasonc]

Listen not all are called to be debaters .

 

[jasonc]

Not sure why you are referring to the Hebrew due to the 2 examples given.

Not sure why you are asking questions unrelated to what I was talking about.

It is almost like asking me if God is so powerful , can He create a rock He cannot lift?

All I can say, brother, is that if and when you have a hard time correcting someone from your modern Bible, or they are convincing you of what you had believed was a false teaching, check with the KJV in what that says in that scriptural reference, before you go on.

No harm in doing that in relying on the Lord to help you find the truth in His actual words..

So Moses spoke modern English .

so you assume I can't reason .look the jw used the KJV to create that cult .I know I was in that when they stopped using it .

Hard to ignore that.

What is the Name of God .
I's it Yah.
Or Lord.or Lord God

Moses would haven't called God that but would have said The Name YHWH.

Where is the vowels.Do you really want to debate a name of God over that and assume the KJV literal name is God nature in one Word.
Literally from Hebrew it means Being .

I am all that you need.

I guess all those believing Rabbis who use other then the KJV in Israel or elsewhere must be ignorant

 

[jasonc]

Not sure why you are referring to the Hebrew due to the 2 examples given.

Not sure why you are asking questions unrelated to what I was talking about.

It is almost like asking me if God is so powerful , can He create a rock He cannot lift?

All I can say, brother, is that if and when you have a hard time correcting someone from your modern Bible, or they are convincing you of what you had believed was a false teaching, check with the KJV in what that says in that scriptural reference, before you go on.

No harm in doing that in relying on the Lord to help you find the truth in His actual words..

So the Lord can't use Spanish to the Spanish ?
the Aramaic .only the Kjv in modern last translation of the 1800s must be used by God .

Hmm Arabic is closer to Hebrew then the KJV .less difficult to translate .

ha Satan is actually Satan in the Hebrew it means that which opposes . Title not a name .it can be that is a debate itself

 

[hawkman]

What is the Name of God .
I's it Yah.
Or Lord.or Lord God

Moses would haven't called God that but would have said The Name YHWH.

HaShem is one I like .

 

[jasonc]

HaShem is one I like .

That's is Hebrew insert that simply Means The Name .

It's used to avoid blasphemy. My point is not that is wrong but must be understood and each letter and name have meanings .
God defining His nature to be a simple Name won't be easily grasped by us all His Names are Titles and description of How He acted to Israel or man