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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    We've been through this. These passages don't prove your point. I've shown that aionios doesn't mean eternal or forever. Not to mention that Revelation is a book of symbolism. Any passage you post from Revelation would need to be established as literal and figurative. Then the passage you quote...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    I agree, the forgiveness was that day. My point was that they could not be in Paradise that day. I understand the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man as a judgment against Israel. I don't believe it has anything at all to do with an afterlife. But, It's not what translators believe. It's how...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    I didn't' say eternal torment waw immortality. I said, to suffer eternally one must have immortality. Someone who is going to die cannot suffer eternally. These passages don't support your claim. You misunderstand them. But, you still haven't answered the question. How does the wicked or the...
  4. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Again, you didn't answer the question. If God alone has immortality, how can a person who commits eternal sin suffer for eternity? Man doesn't have immortality. To suffer eternally man must somehow obtain immortality. How does that happen? How does one obtain immortality to suffer eternally?
  5. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    No, I don't believe God is a contradiction. immortality is to live forever. Therefore, if one lives forever they are immortal. Whether they are immortal in and of themselves or God gives them life. They live forever, thus they are immortal. Someone can't live forever and not live forever. It...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Good points. But, what if, as I posited, the dead are dead. What does it mean to be gathered to one's people if the dead are dead? Would that not be a way of saying one is going to die, or one is going to the grave? Where would all of their descendants be? Wouldn't they be in the grave? If we're...
  7. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    You didn't answer the question. If God alone has immortality, how can a person who commits eternal sin suffer for eternity? Man doesn't have immortality. To suffer eternally man must somehow obtain immortality. How does that happen?
  8. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    So, if they're guilty of eternal sins, they are immortal. How is that when God alone is immortal? How does the soul live on if it's not immortal?
  9. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    You continue to make my point. It's clear from this that you've not understood what I've been saying. You' keep telling us we're wrong and yet here we are 22 pages in and after numerous requests you have still not established your premise. Let's see who is contradicting Scripture. Your claim is...
  10. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Actually, the messages aren't conflicting. It's the presuppositions that we bring to the text. When we come to Scripture and see what appears to be conflicting messages. It means "we" have something wrong in our understanding. We do have to reconcile the passages. How do we do that? The way it's...
  11. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    You made my point. You didn't even ask how can I prove it's wrong. Instead you went to a logical fallacy, the Ad Hominem. Just because Hypostatic Union is the only way "you" can reconcile the passages, doesn't mean it's the only way to reconcile them. It simply means that it's the only way you...
  12. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    No, I don't believe that. I believe man is flesh. Gen 2:7 says, God created man from the dust of the earth. That is what I believe a man is. The elements of the earth. Then It says that God breathed into the man the breath or spirit of life. The breath or spirit of life is something of God...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    The reason it's confusing is because many of your statement contradict Scripture. However, you won't listen to anything anyone says. Has it ever occurred to you that you could be wrong? you're so intent on proving everyone wrong. Here you speak of Hypostatic Union as a Biblical truth. It's...
  14. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    The problem is that he has his own definitions for all of these things rather than using the Biblical definitions.
  15. Butch5

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Are you familiar with the Dunning Kruger Effect?
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