[__ Science __ ] Noah's Flood Refutes the Theory of Evolution.

seve said:
God also tells us the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day, the same Day man (Adam) was made from the dust. God also reveals that “every living creature that moves” was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, but Adam, the first human, was made long BEFORE any creature came forth from the water. He (Adam) served as our Lord’ Meet during the actual Making of our World

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Barbarian said:

Actually, none of that is in scripture. It's just man's revision of God's word to make it more acceptable to him.

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The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time.

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.8 Billion years ago in man’s time, and God shows it was the 3rd Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF we can understand God's Holy Word.

Gen 2:4-7 also shows that Adam was made on the SAME 3rd Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Adam was made a LIVING SOUL in the beginning and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his MEET, for Billions of years during the Making of our World, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

He was physically formed - like a potter would mold a clay - on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get these things scientifically correct, even today.

I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light. It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis.

He (Adam) was BEFORE any other Creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation and the bringing forth of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

God and true science discoveries are in agreement. Unfortunately, the false ToE and other Religionists remain IGNORANT of God’s Truth.... Oh well....

God Bless

seve said:

He was physically formed - like a potter would mold a clay

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That's not what Genesis says. God, for example, uses the same metaphor for the creation of Jerimiah whose body was created naturally:
Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

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He was physically formed - like a potter would mold a clay ....????? Note..... not a complete quote with context to the issue being responded to below.

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Barbarian said:

That's not what Genesis says. God, for example, uses the same metaphor for the creation of Jerimiah whose body was created naturally:
Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

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I don't Respond to EDITED quotes or cut-off quotes that do not show the full context of the thrust of the message that was quoted supposedly. Either show us the full context of the quote that you are having a problem or issue with in Relation to your so called rebuttal or you just can continue whistling in the wind.

Obviously the quotes must have been intentionally edited or cut-off for fallacy of argument, knowing that I have a Scriptural back up to show that Adam was physically FORMED on the 3rd Day of Genesis, and not a metaphor as Barbarian would like the audience to believe, would that be the case?

TRY AGAIN.

Dear Readers,

Here's where you can reconcile Scripturally how Adam was formed (Hebrew- yatsar) from the Dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was Created (Hebrew- bara') in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.:

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:
v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that on the 3rd Day Man was NOT created (Hebrew - bara) but was physically formed (Hebrew - yatsar) - like a potter would mold a clay - from the of dust of the ground becoming a LIVING SOUL.

In fact, Adam wasn't even Created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their original sin by disobeying our Lord's commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the (6th Day), after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel. In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth's generations? when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?

seve said:

Obviously the quotes must have been intentionally edited or cut-off for fallacy of argument, knowing that I have a Scriptural back up to show that Adam was physically FORMED on the 3rd Day of Genesis, and not a metaphor as Barbarian would like the audience to believe, would that be the case?

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I realize your interpretation is so, but that doesn't mean that it stands against the understanding of so many Christians who see it as a figurative description. Clearly, God uses "formed" in a figurative way when he speaks of forming the prophet Jerimiah, using the same language. So we can't assume a literal meaning here.

seve said:

Also notice that on the 3rd Day Man was NOT created (Hebrew - bara) but was physically formed (Hebrew - yatsar) - like a potter would mold a clay - from the of dust of the ground becoming a LIVING SOUL.

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This is wrong. It is correct insofar as God formed man's body though natural means, but that did not make man a living soul. That was given directly by God, as it is to each of us. Our bodies are formed naturally, but our souls are given immediately by God without any natural process.

seve said:

Obviously the quotes must have been intentionally edited or cut-off for fallacy of argument, knowing that I have a Scriptural back up to show that Adam was physically FORMED on the 3rd Day of Genesis, and not a metaphor as Barbarian would like the audience to believe, would that be the case?

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Barbarian said:

I realize your interpretation is so, but that doesn't mean that it stands against the understanding of so many Christians who see it as a figurative description. Clearly, God uses "formed" in a figurative way when he speaks of forming the prophet Jerimiah, using the same language. So we can't assume a literal meaning here.

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My Biblical “interpretation” and analysis are supported by Biblical Proof Texts that I have provided for everybody to see and judge for themselves in my post.

Now, likewise, do you have any Scriptural proof text directly contradicting what I have claimed... also, to give merit to your continuous objection necessary for the foundation and legitimacy of your argument?

No? None? Nada? I thought so (shaking my head).

It’s easy to disagree with anything that is contrary to own’ traditional doctrinal theology BUT to argue about it without foundation and merit to support our own’ stand or objection is just a Strawman Argument, do you agree?

Seve said:
Also notice that on the 3rd Day Man was NOT created (Hebrew - bara) but was physically formed (Hebrew - yatsar) - like a potter would mold a clay - from the of dust of the ground becoming a LIVING SOUL.

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Barbarian said:
This is wrong. It is correct insofar as God formed man's body though natural means, but that did not make man a living soul. That was given directly by God, as it is to each of us. Our bodies are formed naturally, but our souls are given immediately by God without any natural process.

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Your understanding of the Scripture is very poor and Contrary to what is actually written in the cited text, Barbarian. Take my advise - do more research and pray for more wisdom and understanding.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Adam did NOT have a “natural body of flesh & blood” during the 3rd Day of Creation - as you would like others to believe. What Adam received from the Lord God during that time was the “Breath Of Life” thus, Adam became a “LIVING SOUL”.

Because Natural Body of Flesh and Blood can NOT be sustained in Heaven, even, during the Making of our Worlds - being our Lord’ meet during the Creation Process for Billions of years, in man's time.

Note: A LIVING SOUL can travel in Space and perhaps float or fly as well? Just wondering and thinking out loud.

“Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning?” In fact, on the 6th Day, AFTER Adam had violated our Lord’s1st commandment and committed his “original sin”…..that was the only time he found himself in a Flesh & Blood Natural Body and noticed he was “NAKED” and became ashamed of it, correct? Oh well...

God bless

seve said:

My Biblical “interpretation” and analysis are supported by Biblical Proof Texts

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Nope. As you see, God uses the word "formed" for creating the human body by natural processes.

Your eisegisis is not accepted by most Christians, although it's not a salvation issue, so it does you no harm to believe it.

Seve said:

Some Religionist and Evols are falsely implying that physical Giants (Gen 6:1-4) were produced when Fallen Angels (?) married and produced these "Giants" with Humans. This is of course Un-Scriptural and lack of understanding of the Scripture, since, it's based only on their wild imaginations. Because, accordingly....

Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6

Also, NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50

Jesus also tells us that Angels do not marry. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Unless some of you also believe in Macro-Evolution, there is no reason to continue arguing that Fallen Angels are the ones being referred to as the sons of God in the context of the cited Gen. 6:1-4.

Why? Simply because, Angels are spiritual beings without flesh and bone or sex organ unlike those sons of God or Prehistoric Mankind who is also made of flesh.

We are All confined to our on KIND in order to reproduce.

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Dear Readers,

Angels are spiritual beings and NOT made of FLESH and BONE like us, therefore, would not be able to have sex with Humans - so much so, produce offspring, together. Simply because, we are all confined to our Own KIND in order produce offspring and multiply, together.

In fact, the continuing context of the texts below - right under our noses - should be suffice enough to REFUTE the ERRORS of men who hold this Ancient Traditional Goatherder's Theology based only on Wild Imaginations.

Read and learn:
[Gen 6:1-4 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
v2 That the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
v 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he ALSO [is] Flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice, the subject Man being referred to in the context of the text (Gen 6:3) is ALSO made of Flesh - just like those sons of God Made of Flesh... and NOT spiritual being like those Angels in heaven, correct?

v4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric creature/ mankind or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old.

Therefore, he cuts mankind's lifespan to 90%. Because...the more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

Btw, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal Spiritual Beings and NOT made of flesh to even cut their lifespan to 90% or live up to 120 years old only - as stated in the context of the text above Gen 6:3.

God bless

Barbarian said:

Nope. As you see, God uses the word "formed" for creating the human body by natural processes.

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Do you have Scripture to support your view?

Seve said:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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Seve said:

Adam did NOT have a “natural body of flesh & blood” during the 3rd Day of Creation - as you would like others to believe. What Adam received from the Lord God during that time was the “Breath Of Life” thus, Adam became a “LIVING SOUL”.

Because Natural Body of Flesh and Blood can NOT be sustained in Heaven, even, during the Making of our Worlds - being our Lord’ meet during the Creation Process for Billions of years, in man's time.

Note: A LIVING SOUL can travel in Space and perhaps float or fly as well? Just wondering and thinking out loud.

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Man who lives with the Lord since the 3rd Day of Creation for Billions of years - AS A LIVING SOUL - as his Meet, common sense dictates that Adam must have been given Incorruptable body and Made IMMORTAL - not just a given "Natural Body" which is mortal - as Barbarian continually insist due to his lack of knowledge of Biblical Truth.

The Mystery of Resurrection:
1 Co :15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
v53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

seve said:

Do you have Scripture to support your view?

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Yes.
Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations.

Same term He used for forming Adam.

common sense dictates that Adam must have been given...

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That is not scriptural; it's man's addition to scripture. Moreover, God says Adam was not immortal. Indeed, God expresses concern that Adam might become so:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

seve said:

God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 2 or more heavens or universes. Today’s physics has confirmed that it’s possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to confirm those equations.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WORLDS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Gen 1:6-8 shows the 1st heaven (garden f Eden) was made on the 2nd Day. However, Gen 2:4 other HeavenS (plural) also made on the 3rd Day. A Multiverse contains at least 2 or more separate heavens/universes.

The first Heaven (Adam;s world) was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present world - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or world is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Gen 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4

God also tells us the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day, the same Day man (Adam) was made from the dust. God also reveals that “every living creature that moves” was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, but Adam, the first human, was made long BEFORE any creature came forth from the water. He (Adam) served as our Lord’ Meet during the actual Making of our Worlds.

Science confirms that All living things originated from the water, since, they know that water is a complete necessity for cells to live, but they can’t make up their minds exactly where we came from.

The knowledge that Adam was made BEFORE other life came from the water is PROOF that the Theory of Evolution is False. Adam could NOT have evolved from ANY other living being since Adam was the FIRST being made.

God Bless

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I don't believe in evolution, but I don't agree that man was created before all other animals/creatures. Genesis 1 has man created after all the other animals and plants. Though in some versions of Genesis 2 animals and birds are made after male man and before female man. But some translations say they "had" been created so they may have been created before then. And even if they were maybe after Adam / Ish/Aish (but before Eve / Ash/Isha) they might only be ones of Eden or might be angels.

Genesis 1:
Land plants were created on the 3rd day.
Water animals, and air birds were created on the 5th day.
Land animals were created on the 6th day before man.
Adam was created on the 6th day after land animals,

Genesis 2:
Land plants hadn't yet shooted/sprouted/grown by the start of the "8th" day but are implied to have been already created.
Man was created on the "8th" day after land plants and before the trees of Eden.
Trees were made on the "8th" day after man.
Land animals and air birds were created or "had" (already) been created on the "8th" day after man and trees, and before woman.
Woman was created on the "8th" day after man and the trees and land animals & birds.

Revelation:
6 is the number of man, from the 6th day.

There is no definite mention of than angels or sons of god in Genesis 1-2. They might be included in the heaven(s) and host, or the (morning) "stars", in the named "animals" of Eden (since some cherubs/seraphs have animal faces, and angels have names).

Genesis 2 is not clear what day(s) it refers to so it doesn't contradict Genesis 1.
The Earth was created in the beginning. It is not the same as the dry land "earth" of the 3rd day.
The "8th" day comes after the 6th day, not vice-versa. 6 is old, 8 is new.
There is no proof that 6th day man "preAdamites" and "8th day man" Adamites are separate creations of humanoid races, and it is racist.
You claim Eden was made on "2nd day" before Adam made on "3rd day", but Genesis 2 has Adam made before Eden.

Barbarian said:

That is not scriptural; it's man's addition to scripture. Moreover, God says Adam was not immortal. Indeed, God expresses concern that Adam might become so:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

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Here's what the Lord commanded and told Adam:
Gen. 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
v17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for IN THE DAY that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Taken from my other Post: Genesis The Story of the Beginning - Post #42
Man was made a living soul on the 3rd Day and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his Meet during the Creation of our Worlds for Billions of years before he disobeyed and was made in a Perfect Body with SHEKINAH GLORY. But lost his Shekinah Glory (lost his immortality) and found himself NAKED (with a Natural Body of Flesh and Blood) after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil on the 6th Day.

Therefore, based on cited Scriptural Proof text above, it is my biblical opinion, we will ALL be given back the same Original Uncorruptible Physical Body like Adam had (SHEKINAH GLORY) before he sinned in the beginning, however, this time, there would NOT be a Forbidden Fruit to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to sin anymore.... but instead the Tree of Life will reappear in the midst of the paradise for us to enjoy the eternal life.

See post # 6 ref. This Thread:

Seve said:

In other words, Adam was Physically Formed/Made on the 3rd Day and CREATED in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day, only after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel. In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth's generations? when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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Dear Fellow Christians,

There is no 24 Hour Day and Genesis do not state that there is a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in so many ways. The 7th Day has No Evening and No End = Eternity.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to One of the 7 Days of Creation, shown in it's Entirety. It opens up many of the mysteries which ancient men traditional view could NOT have understood and it reveals the Literal God because it shows us the FUTURE since No man of the time could have told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this planet.

Today, we are still living at Gen 1:27 as we speak, since God is still saving and creating sinners in Christ, spiritually, Today. The rest of Genesis 1:28-31 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

God bless

Mosheli said:

I don't believe in evolution,

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I don't "believe in" evolution, either. I believe in God. Science requires evidence, not faith. So I accept the fact of evolution because the evidence shows it happening every day. I think possibly you are thinking about common descent, which is a consequence of evolution, not evolution itself. Evolution is merely a change in the genes of a population over time. Which has been repeatedly demonstrated.

Microevolution is this change in a population which does not produce new species. Macroevolution is evolution that produces new species. In a word, speciation. Even many creationist groups admit the fact of speciation. They have changed their doctrines to object only to the evolution of higher levels of taxa, usually around the family or order level.

So is it possible, you're O.K. with evolution, but not with some level of common descent?

seve said:

There is no 24 Hour Day and Genesis do not state that there is a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in so many ways. The 7th Day has No Evening and No End = Eternity.

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There is much in this post that I think is correct. Some of it, I do not think is right, but perhaps you could expand a little on your explanation and the scriptural basis for it?

Dear Fellow Christians,

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this present 6th Creative Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

In fact, today, God continues to create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless

Barbarian said:

I don't "believe in" evolution, either. I believe in God. Science requires evidence, not faith. So I accept the fact of evolution because the evidence shows it happening every day. I think possibly you are thinking about common descent, which is a consequence of evolution, not evolution itself. Evolution is merely a change in the genes of a population over time. Which has been repeatedly demonstrated.

Microevolution is this change in a population which does not produce new species. Macroevolution is evolution that produces new species. In a word, speciation. Even many creationist groups admit the fact of speciation. They have changed their doctrines to object only to the evolution of higher levels of taxa, usually around the family or order level.

So is it possible, you're O.K. with evolution, but not with some level of common descent?

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Evolution does not equal science.
Evolution is not indisputably proven concrete fact, so it is "belief" too. There are missing links, forbidden archaeological out of place artifacts, reversals, problems with dating methods, and no one was actually "there then" eye witnesses, plus there are conflicts with ancient sources like the bible.
Even science merely means "knowledge" and involves theories and interpretations and assumptions and "evolution". Scientists are not gods, they don't know and can't control everything, and all humans are influenced by internal and external interests and influences. Science is only one aspect of God, and it is only one specialised subject/field and is not holistic.

"Creationism" is not all just "faith/belief". It does also have evidences.
When I say I do or don't believe in something it is because of my estimation of all the evidences for & against.

By evolution I mean big bang, and geological time scale, and Darwinian (macro)evolution especially of animals and man, and that everything evolves from "primitive" to "advanced" over millnenia, and that every thing is a survival of the fittest.

We do not see (macro)evolution every day. A change in genes in a population if it is true is not necessarily correctly named (micro)evolution, maybe just (epi)genetics/eugenics/dysgenics or "devolution" or mixture or result of the fall/sin/curse or lack of tree of life.

Certainly cross-fertility or viability is not barred at species level and is only barred by order. 'Kinds' in Genesis is also not species. Plus the sons of god also mixed with (unclean) animals, so they could have caused some changes.

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword - speaking of Noah's Flood - since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earth being clean dissolved in water when their windows of heaven were opened.

It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood. It is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant Unbelievers and Christian Pretenders of the last days.

Here's the context of the snare or a trap, below.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st World / Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now, will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will choose to be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes.

In fact, the same word (dissolved ) is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved for fire - and will melt and shall be dissolved by its fervent heat.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store ("dissolved") , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on FIRE shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

However, Jesus also promised the following:

Jhn 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

God bless

Mosheli said:

Evolution does not equal science.
Evolution is not indisputably proven concrete fact, so it is "belief" too. There are missing links, forbidden archaeological out of place artifacts, reversals, problems with dating methods, and no one was actually "there then" eye witnesses, plus there are conflicts with ancient sources like the bible.
Even science merely means "knowledge" and involves theories and interpretations and assumptions and "evolution". Scientists are not gods, they don't know and can't control everything, and all humans are influenced by internal and external interests and influences. Science is only one aspect of God, and it is only one specialised subject/field and is not holistic.

"Creationism" is not all just "faith/belief". It does also have evidences.
When I say I do or don't believe in something it is because of my estimation of all the evidences for & against.

By evolution I mean big bang, and geological time scale, and Darwinian (macro)evolution especially of animals and man, and that everything evolves from "primitive" to "advanced" over millnenia, and that every thing is a survival of the fittest.

We do not see (macro)evolution every day. A change in genes in a population if it is true is not necessarily correctly named (micro)evolution, maybe just (epi)genetics/eugenics/dysgenics or "devolution" or mixture or result of the fall/sin/curse or lack of tree of life.

Certainly cross-fertility or viability is not barred at species level and is only barred by order. 'Kinds' in Genesis is also not species. Plus the sons of god also mixed with (unclean) animals, so they could have caused some changes.

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Where can I find evidence of human macro-evolution?

This article shows how scientists believe it worked:

Available at: https://www.nature.com/scitable/kno...ion-examples-from-the-primate-world-96679683/

Mosheli said:

Evolution does not equal science.

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True. Evolution is an observed phenomenon. Evolutionary theory is the science.

Mosheli said:

Evolution is not indisputably proven concrete fact,

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It's directly observed. Happens all the time around you. Perhaps you don't know what the scientific definition of biological evolution is. What do you think it is?

Mosheli said:

There are missing links,

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That's "missing lynx." And they found it:

Mosheli said:

There are missing links, forbidden archaeological out of place artifacts, reversals, problems with dating methods, and no one was actually "there then" eye witnesses, plus there are conflicts with ancient sources like the bible.

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Well, let's take a look at one of those things. Give us the one you think is most compelling,and we'll talk about it.