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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    This is a completely absurd question. [A]Did man come to be in a random manner via mutation and natural selection or [B]is mutation and natural selection purposeless? It could be neither, or both. These are completely unrelated. Banana or polkadot?
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Dunno. You should ask them over a beer.
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    I am more and more doubtful about your ability to read, or perhaps to put things together and come to logical conclusions. They are not improved by the random mutations per se. That seems to be the point you are missing. As described, the 'evolution' happens only if a certain mutation is...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    He meant exactly what he said: that man is the result of a purposeless and naturalistic process that did not have him in mind. I still see no randomness in it. Purposelessness is not randomness, though it might seem it is. I've expressed my views on that several times, why do you keep...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Ah, you graced us with another reply, while I was writing: They are not improved by the random mutations per se. That seems to be the point you are missing. Mutations are of course, of their nature, quite random. But a mutation does not necessarily mean a step forward, an evolutionary...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    First off, your assertion that it is my Darwinian version is a laughable attempt to discredit. I told you once before that for me Darwinism is not the answer. Anyway, to the point: You seem to have a problem with understanding concepts. You quote a cartain Gaylord, who claims that man is the...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    You are claiming that progress in naturalism is based on randomness. That is a patently false claim. That is what I am trying to say.
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    I am saying that your view of the matter is based on wild assumptions, not on trying to understand the matter before rejecting it.
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Randomness? You don't even seem to understand the concepts of what you are trying to oppose. That is a dangerous path.
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm not even saying you should. I'm asking you to observe and consider the facts. I have not, and I am not alone, seen a description from your side, telling us which parts of Darwin's work you agree with, and which parts you don't. That is, for the kind of...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    In that case you should probably learn to read better. I did in no way comment on his theory. I only stated that your own personal quote of 'dinos turning into birds' is not something Darwin specifically said. If I am mistaken, please refer me to the document where these words of his are noted...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Like Michael Jackson. I am completely unfazed by your personal attacks attempting to discredit me. You know very well what I meant. Please work off facts and not assumptions: That is beside the point. Just the mere fact you have to SUPPOSE he wouldn't have a problem with it shows that he in...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    zeke, you are twisting and turning. One could say you are almost dancing. If then you don't maintain that all of Darwin's work is myth, could you please specify which parts of it you DO consider myth? If you can do this single, straightforward thing, then we can try and find for you the answer...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    I support evolution, not necessarily Darwinism. Read on for details. Sorry, that is an absurd request. Please show me where the Law of Gravity accepts God. It doesn't, because it isn't its purpose. Yet you cannot dispute its validity and it in no way goes against God. If you talk to them about...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Ah, OK, I kept relating it to evolution since that is what this thread is about. Perhaps a new thread discussing that specifically would be better suited. More than that, man created in the image of God actually symbolizes the Trinity (as does marriage). If I get what you have in mind...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Quite a tantalizing opening, but I would like some examples, then, if this is your claim. If you go through the history and theology of the early Church, you will find no such literal interpretations. Yes, these quotes are as clear as they come, but none of them assume anything about...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Do you need more than that? And can you judge it out of the context of God's creation itself and its study (science)? It is not about trying to resolve an apparent conflict. As a matter of fact, your first sentence is misleading. It is not until the dawn of Protestantism and Puritanism that...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    I am assuming it to be true for the sake of the argument. Let me rephrase that, then, for peace of mind: IF the theory that is currently presented by science is true, I don't see how that excludes God as the Creator and originating force behind it. As I mentioned in the post as well, I cannot...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    Please enlighten me on what exactly is not acceptable for you within Darwinism and I'll try to shed some light on whether I consider that problematic or not and why. So far you have mainly presented quotes that claim this, as a statement, but with no explanation or proof why that would be so...
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    [_ Old Earth _] A Summary of This Year's Defeats of Evolution Theory

    We both agree on that. I would not say from, because by that you imply what you then state as well, that hydrogen created us. Instead, I would use the word through, as it is more clearly indicative that it was God who created us, and evolution was only the tool he used to do it, put into...
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