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    mormonism

    You want more examples from early Christian Fathers? How's this? Saint Irenaeus (ca. AD 115-202), who may justly be called the first Biblical theologian among the ancient Christians, was a disciple of the great Polycarp, who was a direct disciple of John the Revelator. Here are just two of...
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    mormonism

    Comprehender, you show here that while you may comprehend some things, Mormonism is certainly not one of them. Mormons follow and obey their leaders in exactly the same way the saints of the Bible followed and obeyed the apostles. We are taught not to follow any of them blindly, but to seek...
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    mormonism

    You agreed with my comment that whenever God, in the Bible, emphasizes the idea of only one God, he is doing so to persuade those He is addressing to avoid gods that offer an alternative gospel, a false path to happiness, ideas that draw us away from Him. That is what we seem to be in agreement...
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    If that is the case, we are in agreement about what is most important about belief in God. That is my whole point. Again, this is my whole point. Mormons agree that there is only one God "for us" as Paul said. Mormons believe in worshiping only one God. We also agree with Paul that there...
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    mormonism

    Webb, I have no problem with that as long as we focus on one topic at a time.
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    mormonism

    The monotheism I was referring to was what was taught by original Judaism and original Christianity, not the modern version. I know you disagree, but in order to prove this statement false, you would need an official statement on the term monotheism from an apostle we both agree was an official...
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    mormonism

    Webb, I agree that a possible conclusion would be that the term Christian may have been divinely given. I just don't think it is the most likely conclusion. I would love to have a one on one with you, but not necessarily on this topic. Name a topic and we'll see.
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    mormonism

    Free, I do appreciate your willingness to participate in this discussion. It has been interesting for me. Here is my response. Christian and Judaic monotheism is something that Mormons believe and teach. But where in the Bible does it say that the three persons of the Godhead are “one...
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    mormonism

    Free, Sorry for the delayed response. It has been a busy week. Here is my reply: Mormons and most Bible believing Christians agree that Jesus Christ’s Father is God, Jesus is God and the Holy Ghost is God. We also agree that there is one true God. On the surface, it seems to be a...
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    mormonism

    Just because Peter accepts some of the common nomenclature of the society in general for his religion, does not mean the term was divinely given. The term Christian is a descriptive and accurate term and even complimentary, so there was no reason for Peter to avoid using it. You still have not...
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    mormonism

    I guess this conversation is getting kind of silly. Why don't we just test our claims right here and now. You give me a common Mormon teaching that you believe to be in conflict with the Bible and I will attempt to show you how it does not conflict. Does that sound fair enough?
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    mormonism

    This statement is a good example of your lack of due diligence. If you are interested, I would be glad to provide you with several historical and modern irrefutable examples that would back up my statement. And who's to say that the teachers who originated your perspective(as in the writers of...
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    mormonism

    I find it interesting that you did not include a quote from the Bible where it says that the term Christian was divinely given. Please share it with me, for I am unaware of the existence of such. I discovered why you didn't receive my timely reply to your PM. I didn't notice that my...
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    conclusion continued: A trap was laid for Joseph, but he did not step into it. Decades later...

    conclusion continued: A trap was laid for Joseph, but he did not step into it. Decades later, with Joseph safely dead, the conspirators came forward and announced they had 'tricked' the prophet. But, if they wanted to show Joseph up, why wait for decades to do it? Why didn't they crow their...
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    Continued: This is the conclusion of that article. "The conclusion is that Clayton's account...

    Continued: This is the conclusion of that article. "The conclusion is that Clayton's account appears to be accurate, that Joseph did attempt to translate "a portion" of them by non-revelatory means, and the translation provided matches a corresponding symbol and explanation in the GAEL[the...
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    Webb, I promise I replied in detail to your question on the Kinderhook Plates shortly after you...

    Webb, I promise I replied in detail to your question on the Kinderhook Plates shortly after you asked. For some reason that reply got lost in cyber space. I'll attempt it again. I first heard about this story about four years ago. As I recall, some men took some plates of tin and engraved...
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    mormonism

    You seem to infer that claiming to have extra-Biblical writings of divine origin is evidence of being anti-Biblical. Is this a teaching you have found in the Bible?
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    mormonism

    That's nice that this is what you believe. It surprises me, though. I guess I was wrong in assuming you believed the Bible to be the only authority in declaring what is divine.
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    mormonism

    Mormons have never denied that their beliefs in Christ are different than those described in the creeds of men. What we argue is that many of the differences other Christians try and point out are not differences at all. The differences have been distorted and exaggerated by those who feel...
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