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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Most of the verses addressing this say it was the Father who raised Him. But John 2:19 says Jesus would do it Himself. Critics of the Bible could call this a contradiction, but it can be explained very simply. Jesus said more than once that all He did was because of the Father. Jesus gave the...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    To me it means that because He has power over life and death, He is the father of the resurrection. By being the first to be resurrected, He brings resurrection the the rest of mankind.
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I don’t disagree with this. We need to find common ground on the meaning of each major term and at least have understanding of what the other means when they use minor terms. No offense, but this seems too narrow, but vague at the same time for a definition of prophecy or prophet. From what...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    When you say that our commonality of the Bible is in name only, I guess you mean that we interpret it in ways that are offensive to you, especially when defining who Christ is. So because our interpretation of the Bible is different in a way that is distasteful to you, you say “name onlyâ€. Is...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Okay, so you think I am deflecting the discussion away from a topic that is difficult for me to defend and I think you are doing the same thing. This is interesting. Perhaps I could share my perspective of how we got where we are. So, I opened this thread initially requesting a discussion...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I feel it is important to clarify that this debate is not about whether Joseph Smith is a true prophet or if the LDS church is true. It is simply about certain reasons you have given that you felt would disqualify Joseph Smith from being considered a true prophet. I haven’t been asking you to...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    This is indeed the title of the thread for sure. The actual subject is actually more narrow than the title. But I am willing to discuss whatever you want on this general topic. And this will likely get us right back on the rabbit trail you keep wanting to go down. Yes, the rabbit trail, which...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    You say Christ’s True Church “is†a body of believers.... I realize that is what you see it as today, but don’t you agree that in New Testament times it was quite different? The body of Christ in that time met together in the same congregation. They had a structured organization with...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    So let me try and explain what I think you mean. What I think you are saying is that the church Jesus and the apostles established was true religion. After the apostles died, the traditions and doctrines of men started taking hold. Then they had disagreements as to which traditions and doctrines...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I think you are saying that the original New Testament church can be referred to as a religion, which seems to contradict the earlier statement you quoted, since it did not differentiate between true and false religion. We both agree that man has abused the meaning of the word religion from its...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I would still like to know your answer to this question about your statement. So let’s put ourselves in the shoes of the Israelites who had to choose Moses or not. Before the miracles, what proof from other prophets did they have to use to validate Moses as a true prophet? When John the...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I agree that when man sets up a church without direct authority from Christ, there are going to be problems. If a person is looking for a church with the same authority as the church run by the original apostles of Christ, they would need to find one that at least claims the same authority. That...
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    The most damaging evidences of the fraud of the Book of Mormon (redux)

    I must apologise for forgetting how little you know of the Book of Mormon. I should have given a more indepth explanation. I hope you can forgive me. I should know better by now. The quotes in the Book of Mormon from Isaiah are indeed on the plates of Nephi. What you don’t realize, because you...
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    The most damaging evidences of the fraud of the Book of Mormon (redux)

    “pla·gia·rized to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source.†Since Joseph Smith never claimed the Book of Mormon to be a work of his own, how can any of it qualify as plagiarizing? If it is okay for New...
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    The most damaging evidences of the fraud of the Book of Mormon (redux)

    I was only trying to be subtle here in order to avoid the appearance of promoting Mormonism.
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    The most damaging evidences of the fraud of the Book of Mormon (redux)

    Why Not? I’m trying to understand your inference here. Is it that you interpret this verse as saying that Paul, in fulfilling the word of God, put an end to the coming forth of the word of God from any other prophet or apostle. Is that what you are saying? This is an interesting statement...
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    The most damaging evidences of the fraud of the Book of Mormon (redux)

    Yes it is possible and even probable that Joseph could see what none other could see and was hidden from them, just as Elisha. But I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Obviously the type of chariot described here is the type that was used in battle. What I have been trying to point out is...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    We each have our own unique set of circumstances that helps us learn what we need to learn. I am open to the idea that with your unique situation and personality, you were not able to learn certain truths at a particular time in your life from the LDS church. You may have needed to learn them...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I would have loved to have heard your explanation of John 14:27. I actually expect that I would likely gain additional insights that would be beneficial. Brigham Young taught that Latter-day Saints do not have all the truth and if we want it, we will have to get some of it from other religions...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    George, the scriptures you have used to show that Pauls writings are superior could have other very plausible interpretations. In my opinion, you have chosen the interpretation that contradicts most of the rest of the Bible. Show me the one scripture you feel is most explicit in proving your...
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