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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    The difficulty here is that "blood atonement" was supposedly applied to endowed Mormons who apostatized. While Coleman may have been a Mormon, he definitely wasn't an endowed member, nor was he an apostate. Assuming the reported circumstances of his death are true, they are a tragic example of...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Finally you get what I have been saying all along. This has never been an issue with me. You are entirely missing the point. The Apostle’s Creed and especially the Nicene Creed are not found in the Bible. They are an interpretation of the Bible. That is what extra-biblical means. There are...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    The operative word here is “optionâ€. Back at that time it was a choice of hanging or firing squad. Utah replaced hanging with lethal injection in 1980. This provided two choices to the condemned: firing squad or lethal injection. If the condemned failed to make a choice, lethal injection was...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    First of all, it needs to be understood that this was never a call to execute anyone. They were only emphasizing the seriousness of certain sins. There is not a single instance in all of church history, where a church leader, acting as such, authorized anyone’s death because of any sin...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Please understand that nothing you said here about the LDS view is in any way accurate. Christ is at the center of eternal progression. Our good works are meaningless without Christ and His atonement. His atonement is in no way limited. It encompasses everything. Complete reliance and dependence...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    By Grace, I think we have a misunderstanding here. When I say that LDS teachings emphasize becoming like God more than ruling over our own planet, I don't mean that in each instance of teaching that we are emphasizing becoming like over ruling over. I mean that the one is taught overwhelmingly...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I have never stated that Mormons do not or have not taught the idea that we can become a God. So how does this contradict anything I have said? The reference you are claiming this contradicts says that the church has never taught that we should emphasize this idea more than the idea of becoming...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I agree with all of this except when you say it was the only commandment. You forget the first great commandment to Adam and Eve was to multiply and replenish the earth. Actually, it was part of his plan to persuade Eve to disobey, but it was in no way a lie. God himself acknowledged this in...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    By Grace, nothing in this post shows any contradiction to this statement of mine you are quoting here. I have been aware of it since I was quite young. This does not address the question of emphasis I am talking about. Read the quote again. I’ve always like this hymn. It begins with the...
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    Slain In The Spirit v2.0

    In defense of JWs being Christian, you said: VirginShallConceive, I think this is one of the most thoughtful rational posts I've seen in this forum. I'm glad to see that some do not believe it is necessary to turn our brains off when discussing issues of faith. Well done. Keep it up.
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Jamesone5, Thanks for at least trying to understand. I respect you for that. I’m sorry if I led you to believe that this is what I meant. It is not. Let me try and make it more clear. Mormons believe that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He was God before our earth was...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I’ll assume that by “Christian viewâ€, you mean Biblical view. Actually it does not contradict anything in the Bible, because the Bible really doesn’t address this issue in this context. Why would you object to calling God’s increasing creations progression? The Bible takes no position...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    First of all, you might consider your focus in seeking out the quotes you are familiar with in the earlier writings of church leaders. It seems to me that you would not be as likely to be looking for quotes by early church leaders that are more in harmony to current teachings or even to...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    My apologies, Doulos Iesou. I had forgotten your first post on this thread. You did answer at least half of the question. I appreciate that. Please forgive me for overlooking this. This particular post was quite insightful.
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Hi Jake. I have not avoided the subject at all. I have simply attempted to correct the claim of your statements that it is the main focus of what the Mormons teach on this subject. You have shown a misunderstanding of what Mormons believe and I am attempting to clear up your misconception...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Doulos Iesou, Your comment here is based on a misread of my comment you are quoting. Please notice that I was talking about the EMPHASIS being more on becoming like God. I never even hinted that we do not teach that the result can be becoming a god. If you have any memory at all of the teachings...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Believing one possesses the CLOSEST rituals and truth from the apostles is a lot different than saying you have all truth. And do not the Evangelicals believe they have the only correct interpretation of the word of God? I don’t see any distinction here for any of these groups to have a...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Jake, Sorry, I forgot that some on this forum may not be aware that I am LDS. I didn’t want to mislead you.  I’m sorry for not being more clear about what I was saying. I am very aware of the teaching that we can be gods and even create and have stewardship over new planets which inhabit...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    I have discussed religion with Eastern Orthodox people several years ago. I didn't detect any more arrogance with them than I have with many Evangelicals or even Mormons. I certainly didn't get the idea that they believed they were in possession of all truth. And don't you believe that you...
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    The Mormon Belief of Deification

    Jake, thanks for sharing your perspective. It is enlightening to become aware of what others’ perceive about what I believe. You didn’t really answer my question, but I do appreciate your comments. Actually Jake, based on my 57 years of experience, the emphasis is not at all about becoming...
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