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    mormonism

    So just how did the apostles in the first century "prove" to Saul his interpretations of the scriptures were in error? How do you know that the side you have chosen is not in the same camp as Saul of Tarsus before his revelation directly from Christ? If you are hoping for the kind of proof...
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    You mean with all disrespect. You show here how much you want to avoid understanding my meaning. Obviously, if my claim were the only claim to his being a prophet, it certainly would be ridiculous. It is only a strong evidence when grouped with all the others. You are displaying a classic...
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    mormonism

    By Grace, You have stated that I have been "making statements that are unverifiable and are contrary to reality". I think you need to be more careful about your accusations, for the statements above are a perfect example of what you accused me of. There is nowhere in the History of Joseph...
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    Jamesone5, I appreciate your sincerity. I have no way of judging you or completely understanding what you mean about the hold the church has on a person. There have been times when I have heard things about the church that were pretty earthshaking. Things I had no answer for at the time...
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    Jamesone, I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. You kind of missed my point, which is that we should hold Mormon prophets to the same standard we hold the Biblical prophets to. There are many examples in the Bible of the mistakes and weaknesses of the apostles and prophets in the Bible, yet you have...
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    mormonism

    After doing more research on what you refer to as the "heavens" in ancient terms, I agree that your description of the three divisions of the heavens was something that could have been referred to by Paul. However, there is also much in ancient Christian and Jewish teaching that refers to the...
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    mormonism

    The actual ancient prophets who authored the book of the Book of Mormon expressed their frustration with the aukwardness of their written language and acknowledged it was a weak form of communicating their ideas compared to their spoken language. What I understand from that is they knew there...
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    mormonism

    This quote does not say that the Book of Mormon is without error. It just has less error than other books. That is a big difference. Such a claim should make sense to any rational person when one realizes that it is assuming that the only ones involved with its writing and translation were...
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    mormonism

    What is theory is that Paul and his Christian readers were in agreement with the Greek world view of Heaven. I agree that it is not a theory without merit for what he may have been referring to in 2 Cor. 12:2, but it certainly is not Biblical doctrine. It is more of an educated guess. And it...
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    mormonism

    I'm glad to know what you believe Paul was referring to, but where did you get such a theory from? If it is not explained in the same way by Paul in the Bible it is pure speculation. This statement of what you feel the Bible makes so clear in no way contradicts the Mormon view of the three...
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    mormonism

    Pizzaguy, I have to say that I do admire your perspective from other posts you have done. This is a very fair question and deserves a more detailed explanation. First of all, the Book of Mormon is not a creed any more than any individual book or collection of books from the Bible would be...
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    mormonism

    I just noticed that I missed commenting on this important statement, or misstatement. I will admit that there are some not very attentive Mormons that have this false idea about the Book of Mormon and even about modern apostles and prophets. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does...
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    mormonism

    And just how do you know what exactly Paul was referring to? There are not contradictions in any of the scriptures that make statements regarding the final destination of true believers and Mormon theology. There are only contradictions with inaccurate assumptions about those scriptures. You...
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    mormonism

    You are not as well read on statements of Joseph Smith on the Bible as you think. Yes, he acknowledged its shortcomings, but truly loved it and claimed it to be the word of God. Joseph Smith and Mormons today actually value the Bible more than most Protestants and Catholics, who show their...
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    Matthew, Sorry for not tuning in on this very regularly, but I will attempt to answer your questions from a Mormon point of view. The first problem I can see is one of terminology. Mormons teach exactly what Paul taught, that there are three degrees of Heaven (2Cor. 12:2, 1Cor. 15:40-42)...
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    mormonism

    A lot of uninformed assumptions here I thought I would respond to. 1. Nowhere in LDS writings does it say that Lucifer or Satan is the brother of Jesus. This is a logical conclusion that can come from real LDS teachings, I agree. But it is just as easily concluded by Biblical teachings. 2...
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    mormonism

    This is only a slightly different translation than the one I quoted and it says the same thing. It still shows very clearly that Irenaeus taught that man "at length" can become a god. I never claimed that Irenaeus agreed with all LDS teachings. I was showing evidence that he was one of many...
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    LDS/Mormon Leaders Charge For Worthiness & Rob Poor

    Forgive me Comprehender, but your comments make it very obvious that the law of tithing happened to be something that was a struggle for you. It sure looks like these bitter feelings and false accusations help cover your guilty conscience. You say that the tithing of Latter-day Saints goes to...
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    Comprehender said, "It's true that if you went to a typical LDS/Mormon service, you'd notice that Jesus Christ is generally a minor topic..." I think Comprehender has forgotten a lot about his experiences in LDS meetings. I challenge any of you to drop in on any LDS sacrament meeting or...
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    mormonism

    Deut. 14:28-29 commands them to bring forth their tithe and “lay it up within thy gatesâ€. The use of thy, to me, means that He is speaking to the group and not to individuals to make sure all is gathered in one place within the gates. That would mean that someone appointed would be in...
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