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He also said that with regard to Himself that He would spend 3 days and three nights in the heart of the earth. This of course poses a problem for the 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection believing folks.

I don't see how you can maintain that there is absolutely no other way to interpret that than to say that it is referring to all of Mary's lifetime and not simply to the issue of the Messiah's birth. I don't see how you can maintain that there is absolutely no other way to interpret Ezekiel...

Can anyone identify any scripture which absolutely cannot be taken any other way than to mean that Mary was always virgin?

Does that mean that off topic discussions are ok? Why does that matter?

I would but it's the OPs desire - and it's absolutely reasonable, maybe even a rule - that the posts remain on the topic's topic.

Sorry, I got carried away by God Is My Judge's off topic comment and perpetuated it.

I was merely questioning God Is My Judge's comment that the Messiah thought much of Mary. I wasn't suggesting that it meant anything.

As far as scripture is concerned, there are only 3 times mentioned where the Messiah spoke to Mary. And He seemed to be a bit perturbed with her 2 of those times. The 3rd time He merely told her to look at her son. He never addressed her as mother but only as woman. Although He did know of...

And someone new looking in may know of examples.

I can't respond to your post because I've been warned by a moderator that our discussion is off topic.

As far as we know, no one asks to be born. Nevertheless, we are. You call yourself a sin-prone, sin-loving, sin-steeped creature. You call your neighbor a sin-prone, sin-loving, sin-steeped creature. There's not a dime's difference between the two of you in that regard. Yet one of you...

Why is being given eternal life so one can be tortured 24/7 for eternity the only option for not meeting the requirements for salvation?

Thanks.

Not yet, but you never know, there may be someone new looking in in the future that knows of examples.

What if the OP doesn't agree with/accept the responses? Should a new topic be started?

But my question had to do with "knowing" and not with "deciding".

re: "God knew ahead of time who he would create and whether or not they would receive and retain the word of God." So if He knows before He creates a person that the person will not "receive and retain the word of God" and thus that He will consequently be casting the person into the lake of...

So you're saying that He does create each individual, and that He does know before He creates them that He will be casting them into the lake of fire, and that He does this in order for some reason to show His wrath and His power?

Temchi, I don't see what your comments have to do with my post #54. Could you explain why you think that they do?

Maybe this has been answered and I'm just not smart enough to understand, but I wonder if the supreme being has any input into the creation of a person, and if so, does He know before He creates the person that He will eventually be casting the person into the lake of fire? And if so, why do...