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Benoni wrote: Hello Benoni, Many respondants so far have affirmed that 'Christ died for all' and have provided a brief explaination in support of their position. You seem to assume that when people say 'Christ died for all' they also mean 'all will ultimately be saved'. Would you agree that...

Hi Joe, Would you have a text reference to ' Katurah' ? I recall Paul talks about the slave woman (Hagar) and the free woman (Sarah). blessings

stranger wrote:... The following is my summary about limited atonement. The doctrine is based on the understanding that Christ died only for the elect. It is then argued that since the death of Christ is *efficacious - Christ could not have died for those who are not elect since it is felt that...

stranger wrote: The following is .. a .. summary about limited atonement. The doctrine is based on the understanding that Christ died only for the elect. It is then argued that since the death of Christ is *efficacious - Christ could not have died for those who are not elect since it is felt...

Hi Bubba, Creation itself groans waiting for the revealing of the sons of God (Romans) - but there are some who will never be sons of God. blessings

Hello follower of Christ, Though your post, like Bubba's are based on different texts - the outcome is similar and in basic agreement with the OP. I have another example in mind also and hope to post this soon. blessings

Hello Bubba, Yes indeed, Christ as the firstborn Son leads many sons into glory and this would include OT saints. Amongst the firstfruits in the NT are marvellous examples like the Samarian woman who persuaded Jesus to heal her daughter even though Jesus was reluctant at first - lets say about...

Hi all, The following is a summary about limited atonement. The doctrine is based on the understanding that Christ died only for the elect. It is then argued that since the death of Christ is *efficacious - Christ could not have died for those who are not elect since it is felt that for...

Hello joechrist, Do you believe that there will be a new heavens and a new earth, and a hell to begin with? blessings

mondar My concern is not with oral tradition and to simplify things lets assume that nothing survives of what non writing apostles and prophets said and did. For instance after Malachi I was taught that there was about 400years of prophet silence - the prophetic silence is not a problem for...

mondar wrote: Not all the twelve were, as I call them, writing apostles whose letters ended up in the NT - those whose writings did were Matthew, John, Peter and James. Of the remainder some have non canonical works attributed to them eg gospel according to Thomas, and Barnabus... Of the...

mondar wrote: Here are some questions about a church that has no modern day apostles... Could your church still have apostles and prophets though they were not functioning in their respective offices? Could these 'apostles and prophets' come under a different name than 'apostle or prophet'...

mondar wrote: How would sola scripture take into account non-writing prophets or apostles? I'll agree, Protestant leaders (run to) discuss apostolic authority. But what I am interested in is the apostolic authority (or otherwise) of Calvin and Luther. Who sent these men? Admittedly...

mondar The apostle Paul had 'authority unto scripture' and I would specifically call this authority 'apostolic authority'. Yes Luther articulated much about what we consider to be sola scriptura - but how much of his voluminous writings address the question: where did Luther get his...

Mondar, Thanks for your response - unabashed Calvinist. As an aside let me ask you this: Where did Calvin get his authority from? The same question could be put to Luther - where did Luther get his authority from? Those who call themselves 'Reformed' are at a slight advantage over 'Calvinists'...

scripture alone illustrated. . . There are two completely empty bookselves side by side. In one bookshelf a bible is placed. In the second bookshelf an identical bible is placed. Next to it a book with a (fictious) title 'how to interpret and read the bible' is placed. Which bookshelf in this...

Hello Dave, In Geneva there was a heresy trial where 'Michael Servetus' was convicted and burnt at the stake. I seem to recall that Calvin said earlier (of Servetus) 'if he ever comes to Geneva he will not leave here alive' or words to that affect. It would be good to get the exact words of...

The apostolic faith is the faith standard by which all professed faith is to be measured. It took me decades to realise this yet it is very simple - our Lord Jesus Christ committed His gospel to his 12 disciples / soon to be apostles. Humanly speaking I would say that the Fundamentalists...

Holding Predestination and man's responsibilty in tension. Often it is argued that if God predestines some to eternal life, and either passes by others (leaving them as they are) or predestines them to hell (double predestination) that this takes away man's responsibility - indeed Paul says...

Let me put it this way, if scripture alone is not biblical then I don't know what is. By scripture alone I mean the scriptures themselves uninterpreted. If someone was to take a bible, and wrap masking tape around it so that it could not be opened -- that is the definition I have arrived at of...