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How much more proof is needed that you are attacking the present tense for it kills your OSAS argument. Professor Kenneth Wuest translated John 4:13 in this way: “Whosoever keeps on drinking of this water shall thirst again” (his emp.). He then comments: “Continual drinking at the wells of...

John 6:66 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Very easy and possible for Christians to become apostates.

WHO are these "recipients" of eternal life??? According to the context of John 10:27-28 the "them" that are given eternal life are the ones that have a faithful hearing and following. What you continue to assume into the text is that eternal life is given to those that do not hear and follow...

Your so called proof text fails, it fails on grammar, logic and context. 27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28- And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. To whom does the plural pronoun 'they'...

Eternal security is a man made theology and John 10:27-28 is twisted to try and find Eternal security in it. When all John 10:27-28 promises is "they" that hear and follow Christ are the 'they" that shall not perish, meaning not perishing is conditional upon hearing and following. The grammar...

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." The purpose of confession is to "forgive us our sins" and to "cleanse us from all unrighteousness" which is salvation. Christ died and shed His blood that sins may...

Repentance means to make a change, to turn from doing unrighteousness to doing righteousness. Revelation 2:5 For the CHristian, an impenitent Christian will not be forgiven, not have all sins cleansed away by the blood of Christ (1 John 1:7), and die lost in his sins.

When Adam sinned he died spiritually, separated from God.

Sin is what separates one from God...Isaiah 59:2 God does not forgive until one first repents. Luke 13:3; 2 Chronicles 7:14 1 Jn 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." The...

I am a Christian, a member of the church of Christ.

The Jesus of the bible requires good works from the Christian making them a necessary part of the Christians salvation.

I am dealing with WHAT Jesus. WHO Jesus was speaking to does not change WHAT He said. Your OSAS man made theology has you ignoring grammar, logic and context: 27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" 28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish...

The comments I posted were not mine, but of someone else who dealt with Stanley's fallacies. But you posted a excerpt from the book and anyone can make a comment on that.

Christianity, the group Christian, did not yet exist when those OT characters were alive so they will not be held accountable for that. Those under the OT and us today under the NT will be saved the same way: by an obedient faith. An obedient faith for us today puts into that group Christian...

Yes, therefore those good works a Christian does do play a role in the Christian's salvation in remaining in a saved state. So salvation is conditional upon doing those good works and not unconditional as OSAS claims it is.

God has required the Christian to do good works, so it's not a matter of choice, motivation or desire on part of the Christian. Not doing good works and the Christian will be lost, no OSAS. Therefore doing good works is what keeps the Christian saved and by doing those good works God has...

Your argument fails for you have not yet produced a verse that says those that quit hearing and following shall not perish. AGAIN, the pronoun "THEM" in John 10:28 only refers to those that hear and follow and not to those that do not hear and follow. You have failed to prove that "THEM"...

Can a Christian Ever Be Lost? BY WAYNE JACKSON A prominent Baptist preacher, Dr. Charles Stanley of Atlanta, Georgia, alleges that a child of God can never so sin as to be lost. In his book advocating this theory, Stanley writes: “As a believer, you will never be judged for your sins” (Eternal...

The issue is what if one quits confessing his sins, will he still be saved anyway? No, just like the one that quits hearing and following per John 10:27,28 SHALL perish. Your above statement makes salvation CONDITIONAL upon one confessing sins when OSAS says salvation is UNCONDITIONAL. So is...

If a believer quits believing then he becomes lost (losing eternal life) which refutes your OSAS argument. No verse says this now unbeliever will be saved anyway. You asked "When does Jesus give eternal life to people? Specifically?" My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow...