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I'm sorry you feel that way. My attitude is negative vs OSAS. Since the topics of late have been on OSAS, it may appear that I am always negative, but I certainly am not negative towards everyone and on every subject. Regards

James is indeed about being justified in God's eyes by one's good deeds. There is nothing here about returning to the vomit. The point of James 2 is AGAINST the mindset of OSAS! Can "THAT" faith save? No it cannot... Only active faith can save. OSAS is not about active faith, it is about...

I agree on your take about emotionalism. Feelings drive this doctrine. And what a "sweet" doctrine it is. Get your "heaven card" and then you can do whatever you want, since salvation cannot be lost. "OK, now I can get on with my life, got heaven taken care of, check it off the list... God...

Any citations from the Church Fathers of the first millenium who felt that way, perhaps people who heard John and Paul preach with their own ears, or is this another of those modern interpretations of Scriptures that seem to come and go based upon the latest craze?

All of your supposed OSAS scripture sets have been shot down long ago. Your citation is no different. It doesn't say anyone who BELIEVED in me once a long time ago will go to heaven. Nothing about OSAS. It states that those who CONTINUE to believe NOW will never die. Those who have...

Jesus never said anything about OSAS. He said people would fall away, people who even THOUGHT they were His disciples. He told people that they must love like HE did to be considered His disciples, not just claim to be His disciples. But there's nothing to see here. Ignore all that. Ignore...

Whatever. Go back to your algebra homework...

I have no argument with that. We all do the work of sheep and goats. Thus, we need to let God judge us, rather than our own deluded human minds proclaiming the mind of God ahead of time, as our minds that tend to overlook all the bad things we do and over-emphasize the good.

Your text twisting has destroyed the intent of the actual Scripture. Just because a person is following Jesus does NOT mean that they were called by the Father. ALL who were called by the Father follow Jesus. All the elect follow Him. But it is poor logic to state that "because I follow Him"...

I'm afraid you are wrong, urk. I say this with love, I want to point to you the biblical truth - that we participate in our salvation. This is why some people are at different levels in their holiness/sanctification. This is why ALL men are not saved, despite this being God's will, according...

Don't forget that the "showing" is to GOD, not to man, in James 2. The example is of Abraham, and if one were to back track to Genesis, one will find that it is GOD Who states "now I know"... No other man was present when Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac. Thus, there is no "false showing"...

Love is based on sharing the Truth, not on maintaining "feel-good" politically correct ideas of relativism - "I'm right and you are right".

ANOTHER false dilemna by Grappler. I suppose you will now tell us that God is "underpowered" because all men are not saved, right??? That's where your logic goes - and why you so conveniently ignore that. You try very hard to give us a false choice, either God does everything or man does...

Grappler, the scripture does not say "all who hear my voice are sheep"... it says the sheep hear the voice. I cited John 6:66. Some followed Jesus - and LEFT... Now, only at the last judgment will we be able to tell whether that "baahh" from you is a sheep or a goat...

It appears that the writer of Sacred Scripture also "underestimates" God's omnipotence. See Hebrews 10:26-30. Or 2 Peter 2:20-22. Or numerous other places where the Scriptures tell us to beware, remain, persevere, etc... And with your line of logic, EVERYONE is saved and going to heaven...

What are you talking about "posting falsehoods"? Are you daft? Go read YOUR post from this thread, #13. I know my Father and ye dishonor me when ye say that i do not, but i forgive thee and pray that one day ye shall know my Father also You pray that some day that I know "your" Father...

Grappler, just as a person who is physically born can die, a person who is spiritually born can also die. He can return to the "vomit" of his former life of sin. A person who commits a mortal sin is spiritually dead. The fact that this is possible explains the many exhortations to remain in...

That is an incredible stretch to make that connection, urk. No one here has said anything about the blood of Christ not being the blood of God. This is about whether a person can remove themselves from the New Covenant, not arguing about what Christ has done. John has given a number of...

The Jews who clashed with Jesus said the same thing... I don't give much credence to self-styled knowledge, esp. when it comes with the proud statement, "you don't know the Father and I do".

Keep reading. Read John 6:66... Not everyone who came to Jesus REMAINED with Jesus. No, Jesus won't cast out those selected by the Father, but you don't know if you are one of them. And since you don't know the future, you will just have to wait until judgment day like the rest of us...