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These things are indicative of salvation. Is what is being said. An option would be the idea that salvation is a decision we make to be saved or not to be saved. I'm not saying that. In the widest sense, ion the final analysis, some are saved, some are not. We can rightly say that the unsaved...

The effort you're speaking of is the effort to live the Christian life, not to be saved. Salvation (equals) the Christian life. We are saved in part to live the Christian life. All the things you are alluding to, prayer, meditating on Gods word etc. We don't do those things to be saved, we do...

I suppose, but your not characterizing what I understand. You keep calling it OSAS, chipping it up, and mixing in your theology with it to make it seem look like something it's not so you can argue it better from your position. (Straw man) make it not worth my time, because you really don't...

I stand corrected, In post #40 you did say "Well, are you indicating that through being "born-again" (which I DO believe in) you feel a person, at that time, obtains this "certain amount of discernment?" I replied: Absolutely. Do you disagree?

Not at all. My fear and trembling is of great respect for the Lord and the understanding that I do not deserve salvation I deserve Hell and I am very aware of that through my salvation. Please understand that your not quoting me in your above description. That's from you. That's a character in...

I know this was meant for Gregg, but I hope you don't mind if I answer it also. You're posing a false dichotomy. Your saying man either plays a role in his own salvation or all are saved. You're leaving out the most obvious and that is that some are saved and some are not. A better question...

Yes I read that, #42. You said, "I read that upon conversion, we instantly and effectively receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And He is given to teach, or instruct, us. I have taught for many years, and there is one thing I have come to understand.... "teaching" does not necessarily...

Well, you did not address my post to you, which is disappointing to me, but you have asked another good question. "Why would Jesus command these saved, chosen, disciples to remain in Him, if remaining were automatic?" Answer; The saved need to know what our instructions are. this is why we...

I appreciate your candor. So that I may reflect back on your point for the purpose of understanding, You do not believe that the Holly Spirit works in the individual to guide, teach, effect, and direct them?........and even if He did, some people don't get it and, or, fail to learn what the...

Sure it is. The saved remain in Christ. We agree that's what John 15 says. we also agree that the unsaved are cut away. We also agree (I think) that God does the cutting away, and that He cut away the unsaved, and that He cultivates the saved. .... I think we agree on those points. So what's the...

Lets not forget something here. the unsaved DO NOT have a desire to be saved. They want NOTHING to do with God. So this whole notion of loosing salvation is self-defeating, and points to a weak faith, and a God who does nothing.

Yes I share it with unbelievers. I share it all the time with them.

Hummmm so what's the point in that? Aren't you minimizing the Holly Spirit in saying that just because the Holly Spirit teaches, guides and instructs, some people just don't get it? If you are saying that then the effectiveness Holly Spirit to give any gift to anyone is only worth only what that...

Pretty close. I'd say there is no "becoming" unsaved. The beginning of John 15 seems to speak of those who are cut away as being in Christ, 15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit. However, notice the "cutter"...who is the...

Absolutely. Thank you for clarifying.

Let me clarify what I said with the magic of copy past; "every born-again believer has a certain amount of discernment, which increases as the believer matures in the Spirit." Do you not think that is true or rational?

I'm confused, You posted this verse; .......If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6 Then you asked this good question: Was Jesus talking to saved ones or unsaved ones, here in...

That depends on what you mean by believer. Even the devil believes in God. Born again means to be converted, changed from man-centered to God-centered by the Holly Spirit. In any case, so that we don't go down a rabbit hole chasing other things, are we talking about the same thing when it comes...

Good question. Answer: Those who do not remain are not the saved. So Jesus is speaking of the unsaved. We know that some are saved and some are not. If you back up in John 15, you'll notice the first verse. 15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me...

:confused...........I'm not sure we are all on the same page as to what the gift of "Discernment of spirits" is. I read the OP, and don't think I found any real error, but it seems this thread is disintegrating into mystical ideas of spiritual ghost and the ability to see beings.....??? To...