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There's nothing wrong with advocating for someone (a person, not a nation) who is not explicitly condemned by Scripture as unrepentant. Not that my purpose here is to advocate for Esau, but to see what the scriptures actually SAY. Secondly, I'd like to curb unfounded condemnations of...

Asyncritus, please reread my posts; I have been told by some people, that the first time they read me -- they don't understand, but after re-reading it made sense. I think re-reading it might help. Esau complains of two separate issues to his father; one of which was a legal sale -- the other...

He blessed both of them. Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. I quoted you the scripture with the actual blessing, but you didn't seem to notice any of the implications ? Fat of the land means the BEST of the land. etc. Esau was *truly* blessed ?? I...

OK. You have quite a few posts... and I don't know how quickly I can get to them; but I will. I realize you aren't a Calvinist; I apologize that the sentence wasn't so clear. I meant, why if "hate" means hate in the English sense of the word as in worthy of death/wrath, as you seem to imply (or...

Friendship. :) Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua [Jesus/Yeshua], the son of Nun, a young man [named by Moses], departed not out of the tabernacle [in God's tabernacle, he stayed]...

I am asking you to demonstrate what the word itself means. In the example of Leah and Rachel, what exactly is hatred? No, I really don't. For, the Calvinists seem to think that hatred means a desire to damn someone, and yet the word itself doesn't appear to have that meaning in much of...

But what does it mean that he "hated" the man Esau? ( Let's set aside the nation for a moment. ) In a Hebrew household, where a father has a firstborn and a second-born, the firstborn is always to be given a double portion of the inheritance, and the remaining sons were to serve him as...

:wave Continuting on.... Yes, although it's an open question in my mind at what point in history the birth of a God-man became inevitable. Prophecy still has a limited dynamic ability, until fully ratified ; which is affected by our freedom of will. (Nineveh, etc.) I think that once the...

God is sovereign; yes. Ephesians has that little problem "all" again... so, I'll set it aside; but agree, yes -- God chose it. Psalms 115:3 ... Is a response to God withholding his face from Israel on account of their sin, and Israel using the fact that God's name is being maligned as...

OK. I Got that you were comparing two Calvinists, and that Spurgeon holds that a man can be predestined to life through grace, and then Predestined to damnation. So, One might say a man can be saved temporarily. Whereas Calvin would hold that a man was not really saved at all. But I searched...

Yes, I got the dizzy part very much. I have been trying to make allowances for the fact that the word "all" generally follows ambiguous grouping rules, and authors often use it loosely to mean a quorum (a representative) of whatever they have in mind, and not necessarily every single member...

Apology accepted, but there's still shallow reflection going on as to the cause of the problem. For you've implicitly (intentionally or not) repeated the accusation by saying "Man's logic alone"; as if the discussion at hand was not about the word of God, when it clearly was. Nor do I think...

Re: Freewill religion ! - Part 2 I'm having a hard time believing your response is anything more than sophistry. The Holy Spirit is with me as well as you; so your remark is both rude and snobbish. Right there under my photo, to the left, it says "Christian: Yes" This is a debate forum...

Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 I've read that post several times. It explains nothing clearly to me. But: What you said was "to people of all nations .... that the Gospel should be preached without exception." So, your explanation appears to be at odds with whatever is...

Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 I've already dealt with this contextually; but I just realized, there is a far simpler way to disprove your assertion. For, if 1Tim 2:4 refers to all ethinicity and nations WITHOUT EXCEPTION, then it's clear that God's desire was not realized...

Re: Get thee behind me satan ! I don't see why you bring this up. It seems off topic, unless you are trying to refute that the devil I mentioned in Timothy 2:1-2 is not saved. I wish you would explicitly say why you bring something up -- our conversation could be far more apologetics forum...

Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 Right. So what about people with no nation? Is there no desire for them in basic Calvinistic view ? Wow. So, messenger was just saying basic Calvinism stuff, but doing it very baadly. (sheepish grin.) If he doesn't say "TULIP", I guess...

So, it's not something you are going to prove by scripture alone. (?) As opposed to hard to understand, (and even in some of the most popularly read places!?!) 2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they...

Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 Scripture spends some time discussing why "Nations" are not saved, but individuals are. A nation can receive the promise of salvation as it's caretaker, but (for example) one is not saved merely because they are a Jew. If there were people...