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    No other books follow

    Thank you free, perhaps I did misunderstand the statement made. Can't say I disagree with anything you've written here. It was indeed a long process undertaken by Godly men and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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    No other books follow

    I always welcome Scriptures. The book of Hebrews was debated for inclusion into the canon but I believe the debate was over authorship, not content. Augustine and Jerome were instrumental in affirming the authorship of Paul and hence the book was ultimately included. I would contend...
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    No other books follow

    I certainly believe based upon the history of the development of the canon that it is impossible to dismiss the role the church plays in definitively recognizing what is, and is not Scripture. You mention 'authorship' in your previous post. So, for example, the book of Hebrews which claims...
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    No other books follow

    Farouk, I do appreciate your trying! And I'm sorry if I do not seem so. :) I simply linked to this thread from another, and found the statement that 'all' of the NT books were deemed as Scripture at the time they were written and that the canon existed 300 years before Carthage and Hippo...
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    No other books follow

    I have a database of the ECF -- the issue is finding the particular reference you cite as it did not come up in what I thought was an appropriate search. And not going to read all of Tertullian to find it! My assumption was you could point me to the specific document. In addition...
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    No other books follow

    "Establishing" the canon is simply recognizing what is Scripture. I agree that they did not become Scripture by an act of the church. But they were recognized as Scripture by an act of the church (and likewise other books were recognized as not being Scripture). And without the recognition...
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    No other books follow

    And some books that were included were under much debate as well (Revelation and Hebrews are two I recall). It is not to be taken lightly. I simply would like to know the source for the statement that at the time of its writing, each NT book was accepted by the church and the canon was in...
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    No other books follow

    I'd say that's more than a stretch. The perfection in 1 Cor 13 is speaking of a time when we no longer see in a mirror dimly but rather face to face, and of a time when we shall fully understand. This is not a time that has already come for those of us still on earth.
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    No other books follow

    Thank you Free. I'm familiar with Carthage and Hippo, and that Athanasius is the first to correctly list our existing NT canon. And they were well in place before the 1054 schism, you are correct. I am just questioning this statement: "Each book was widely accepted and circulated by the...
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    No other books follow

    Source of evidence for this statement? Example... I believe in the eastern churches the book of Revelation was not accepted as canon until almost the 5th century and has never been read in their liturgy.
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    And because it was the Romans that actually nailed him to the cross, your conclusion is this is just another piece of 'evidence' of the 'evils' of the RCC? Yes, there were people who physically nailed Christ to the cross. No, none of us know how we would have responded if we'd been in their...
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    I think there will be many here who will be surprised to discover that their belief in the Trinity is a man-made tradition that was accepted from a pagan religion. Paul warned the Gentiles about returning to their pagan gods. He did not say that any symbol or tradition they had was in itself...
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    It's been a while since I researched all of this Arj, but I spent quite a bit of time on it at one point. When you really start to look at the 'similarities', you find they are not as compelling as generally presented by those who wish to make the point that Jesus is a 'copy'. When you read...
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    Thank you very much. :-)
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    That's interesting. I've always been under the impression that the very folks that nailed Christ to the cross was us as the result of our sin, not any particular group of people.
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    What to do about Horus, Mithra and other "Christ stories"?

    Regarding the question of the thread, one thing to 'do' about these things would perhaps be for those who insist on labeling the Catholic church as having 'pagan' roots to consider the consequences. It only serves to reinforce the view that Christianity is a 'copy' of these pagan stories, and...
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    [_ Old Earth _] To "Christian" evolutionists

    You have hit upon the crux of the issue with the unbiblical doctrine of sola scriptura. Bob Sungenis, whose conversion story to Catholicism is covered in the book "Surprised by Truth" equated the rebellion of the Protestant reformation to the many times in the OT that God gave the people...
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    Mother Teresa's Spiritual Crisis >>

    I do believe that in order to make an accurate assessment one must read the book instead of secular news coverage. I have listened to the author of the book. Within the entire thing, there are a couple of quotes that taken out of context have been construed by the media that she questioned the...
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    Mother Teresa's Spiritual Crisis >>

    So is your position therefore that faith is dependent upon 'feelings'?
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    A child of the devil....

    Sorry, didn't see this before I replied as well. But I'm glad you were confused too, because I was getting worried about myself. :lol:
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