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    [_ Old Earth _] The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch

    The thing is that other scientists debunked that guy. That is how science works. the answer to bad science is not: More Religion! It's: Better Science! That's why peer-review is so important; Other scientists can test the theories and see if they hold water. if they don't, (like the...
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    [_ Old Earth _] The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch

    The thing is that other scientists debunked that guy. That is how science works. the answer to bad science is not: More Religion! It's: Better Science! That's why peer-review is so important; Other scientists can test the theories and see if they hold water. if they don't, (like the...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Are you guys serious?

    Thanks, Evoin, Moreover, Pard, simply because the underlying cause of some phenomenae is not as"Obvious" as another has no bearing on wether it's deemed "True" or not. It's all about evidence. We KNOW things evolve. Type in "Evidence for Evolution by Natural Selection". Then type in "Evidence...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Christianity and 2012

    There is no reason in Christianity nor any other religious/mythological text to believe that the world will end at a particular time/date. The Book of Revelations could just as easily be talking about the fall of Rome. Obama is not the anti-Christ. The Mayan's calendar ended in 2012 just...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Are you guys serious?

    I'll concede that I know what you mean when you make the distinction between "Micro" and "Macro" evolution, (They are the same thing over vastly different time scales)-Ahem*- And I would say that No, evolution by natural selection, be it micro OR macro, is not as evident at first glance as, say...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Christianity's Compatibly with Science.

    Jumping in here, Happy New Years everyone! and Merry Christmas! I'd say that Christianity, as well as religion in general, is incompatible with science, due to the fact that science is based on observation and evidence, and Christianity is based on revelation and faith. The history of...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    I would tend to agree with VaultZero4Me at this point in the debate, although Disciple's above suggestion of a thread about the evolution of religion may indeed prove interesting. I've laid out a few specific evidences for evolution, from simple fossil morphology to in-depth gene/DNA...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    Again, feel free to peruse the above posts for examples, but I'm certainly willing to cite some more, as you specifically asked for examples of evidence of common descent, and of natural selection, and genetic/biochemical evidence. Evidence of common descent is any evidence that shows different...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    I realize that you are responding to something that smos wrote, but since you stated that: "Nobody in this thread has covered that ToE is scientific", and I am certainly nobody.... I would suggest going over some of the responses above for "coverage" that ToE is scientific, and not religious...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    I totally understand, I mean, it IS a Christian website. I think this forum in particular is of special interest to folks with a more scientifically-minded world-view, wether they are secular or Christian. I certainly took no personal offense to anything said by you or others, and I think we...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    If somebody starts with the conclusion, then they are not following the scientific method, and any scientist that doesn't follow the scientific method can't call themselves a "scientist". A scientist may start with a "hypothesis", based on "observation", but that is not the same as a...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    This simply means that currently, there is no competing theory that possesses the explanatory power rivaling TOE. The theory may be tweaked here and there, but it is unlikely that it will be thrown out in its entirety. The only way the theory might be altered would be to provide evidence that...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    That's not why ID isn't science. For a theory to be deemed "scientific", it needs to follow the scientific method. Observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, logical argument and theory building define science. not scriptural authority. It also has to be falsifiable, meaning...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Evolution taught in High School - Violation of Rights?

    The trial in Dover a few years back showed that it is unconstitutional to teach ID in public school classrooms in the United States because it was shown to be creationism in disguise. Not science. Simply because proponents of ID have tried and failed to use a carefully orchestrated political...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Even scientists know there's a God

    This is ridiculous. First of all, there are lots of transitional fossils. just do a web search. creationists like to claim that there are no transitional fossils. This is a claim made by many creationists seeking to distort or flat-out ignore the evidence that exists. Secondly, "gaps" in the...
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    [_ Old Earth _] Even scientists know there's a God

    There is no "intelligence", as you say, in it. It's plain 'ol biology, and it is a natural process that doesn't require a supernatural explanation. Your view that "wow, this stuff is really amazing" is not "proof" of your position, your position is unfalsifiable, just like another's claim that...
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    [_ Old Earth _] God makes his existence plain

    If evolutionary theory were incorrect, it would not produce "good results". It would completely fall apart, and could not result in new vaccines and technologies that work, for example, which it does very nicely. The fact that the ToE works and can be used to achieve positive results is...
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    [_ Old Earth _] If Evolution were true...

    One last thing, Speaking of "dodging questions"... Can you explain, in your own words, what the role of mutation and natural selection is in our current understanding of the ToE? I don't know why you keep dodging this simple request. :smt021 But you can't wiggle out of it.
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    [_ Old Earth _] If Evolution were true...

    Developing a sense of right and wrong is necessary for an intelligent, social species like ours to survive and not destroy itself. Consensus that "murder/stealing/rape/genocide/etc. is wrong" is necessary for social cohesion and our survival. Evolutionary theory absolutely allows for this...
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