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New to me at any rate.
Our reading took us recently to John 17, where I found several passages which unequivocally blow those 2 doctrines above out of the water.
God and Jesus being one in the godhead:note especially v21
17.2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that whatsoever thou hast given him, to them he should give eternal life.
3 And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.
4 I glorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do.
6 ¶ I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them to me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they know that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are from thee:
8 for the words which thou gavest me I have given unto them; and they received them, and knew of a truth that I came forth from thee, and they believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:
11 ¶ And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.
24 ¶ Father, that which thou hast given me, I will that, where I am, they also may be with me; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world knew thee not, but I knew thee; and these knew that thou didst send me;
Till now, I had not realised that Jesus' prayer was such a powerful denial and rejection of the two doctrines above.
But I leave the bald quotations to speak for themselves, and to allow others to put any other construction they can think of, on them.
Our reading took us recently to John 17, where I found several passages which unequivocally blow those 2 doctrines above out of the water.
God and Jesus being one in the godhead:note especially v21
17.2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that whatsoever thou hast given him, to them he should give eternal life.
3 And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.
4 I glorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do.
6 ¶ I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them to me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they know that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are from thee:
8 for the words which thou gavest me I have given unto them; and they received them, and knew of a truth that I came forth from thee, and they believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:
11 ¶ And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.
24 ¶ Father, that which thou hast given me, I will that, where I am, they also may be with me; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world knew thee not, but I knew thee; and these knew that thou didst send me;
Till now, I had not realised that Jesus' prayer was such a powerful denial and rejection of the two doctrines above.
But I leave the bald quotations to speak for themselves, and to allow others to put any other construction they can think of, on them.
