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America and Britain in Prophecy

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If America is in Biblical prophecy,which she is,all prophecy could not have been fulfilled on or before AD70


America and Britain in Prophecy


America and Britain in Prophecy

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Ephraim and Manasseh Receive the Birthright

How the birthright was passed to Joseph’s sons is another remarkable story. Sometime after elderly Israel (Jacob) arrived in Egypt with his other sons and extended family, Joseph received word that he had fallen ill. Immediately, Joseph took his sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, to their dying grandfather’s side. It was a moving and dramatic scene: “And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, your son Joseph comes unto you: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed. And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me, and said unto me, Behold, I will make you fruitful, and multiply you, and I will make of you a multitude of people; and will give this land to your seed after you for an everlasting possession” (Gen. 48:2-4).

Jacob recounts how God had promised to make his seed “fruitful,” to “multiply” them, thus making them a “multitude of people.” These terms all pertain to the promise of birthright. Nothing here suggests anything to do with the “one seed,” and its relationship to Christ and salvation. Notice that this is a specific promise about possession of land.

Now verse 5: “And now your two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto you in the land of Egypt before I came unto you into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.” When understood, Jacob is actually adopting Joseph’s two sons as his own, as “mine.” This allowed him to pass the birthright directly to these two young boys—Manasseh as the older, and Ephraim the younger (41:51; 48:1). This last fact is crucial because Jacob specifically mentioned Ephraim before Manasseh.

Jacob then instructs Joseph to “Bring them, I pray you, unto me, and I will bless them. Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see” (vs. 9-10). We should note again that normally the birthright would pass to the eldest son. Thus, the right hand should be on the son to receive the greatest inheritance since both were to share the birthright blessing. God must intervene to make it otherwise.

Now notice: “And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them…and Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel’s right hand, and brought them near unto him” (vs. 10, 13).
Once again, take note of two facts: (1) Ephraim is blessed with the right hand, putting him above Manasseh in birthright inheritance, but (2) Manasseh also has Jacob’s left hand on him, signifying a shared but lesser birthright inheritance, as well!

Joseph’s Sons Receive Israel’s Name

In the next passage, to signify explicitly that God’s blessing was to be passed to Ephraim above firstborn Manasseh, Jacob crossed his hands. Let’s read: “And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim’s head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh’s head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth” (vs. 14-16).

This will be shown to be an absolutely astounding prophecy, carrying truly staggering implications for all the nations of the world. We have just witnessed, directly from the pages of the Bible, God’s original promise to Abraham being passed directly to Joseph’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh! Jacob said, “let my name be named on them” and “let them grow into a multitude.”

Absolutely nothing in this account says anything about Judah. He was neither included nor apparently even present during the proceedings! Why then do countless millions of people who read the Bible not see this—and acknowledge it?
Jacob specifically asked God, with hands on both grandsons, to “Bless the lads.” This was a joint blessing, conferred on both young boys—now get this—having nothing to do with Judah or any of his children. Together, the descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh were promised—actually prophesied—to expand into a great multitude, consisting of the “nation and company of nations” of Genesis 35:11.

I repeatedly urge readers, “Do not believe me unless you can see it in your Bible!” I tell you that now. These verses are most plain!
This account requires no interpretation from me. It contains no symbolism, holding mystery to all but the trained eye. Israel’s name was to be placed on, carried by, the sons of Joseph—not Judah!
Put another way, we now ask: Who does God—not men!—identify as the people who are Israel (nationally and ethnically) today? Again, the answer is Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah! The modern nation of Israel, home to the Jews who call themselves “Israelis,” is not the nation God has told us actually carries Israel’s name. Yet, the world and virtually all Bible students remain deceived on this point.
 
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The greatest nation in the history of mankind,not in prophecy

How in the world do you make the leap from a story about Ephraim and Manasseh to seeing them as America and Britain???

Seriously, whatever the people who write your material are on please, pass it along. :screwloose
 
How in the world do you make the leap from a story about Ephraim and Manasseh to seeing them as America and Britain???

Seriously, whatever the people who write your material are on please, pass it along. :screwloose


Where is Israel? and please notice I didn't say Judah.....
 
Where is Israel? and please notice I didn't say Judah.....

Dispersed throughout the known world at the time of their capture by Assyria and later, when Babylon conquered the Assyrians and the Persians conquered them all ultimately to be overtaken by Rome.

{2} And Balaam lifted up his eyes and saw Israel camping tribe by tribe; and the Spirit of God came upon him. {3} He took up his discourse and said, "The oracle of Balaam the son of Beor, And the oracle of the man whose eye is opened; {4} The oracle of him who hears the words of God, Who sees the vision of the Almighty, Falling down, yet having his eyes uncovered, {5} How fair are your tents, O Jacob, Your dwellings, O Israel! {6} "Like valleys that stretch out, Like gardens beside the river, Like aloes planted by the LORD, Like cedars beside the waters. {7} "Water will flow from his buckets, And his seed will be by many waters, And his king shall be higher than Agag, And his kingdom shall be exalted. Numbers 24:2-7 (NASB)
Israel is spread all over the world through its various diasporas. That does not make Israel America or Britain! To suggest otherwise is a leap not even a kangaroo could make!

Wow. :nono2
 
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Dispersed throughout the known world at the time of their capture by Assyria and later, when Babylon conquered the Assyrians and the Persians conquered them all ultimately to be overtaken by Rome.

Israel is spread all over the world through its various diasporas. That does not make Israel America or Britain! To suggest otherwise is a leap not even a kangaroo could make!

Wow. :nono2

Try reading the blessings that they were to get and you will have your answer.....
 
Try reading the blessings that they were to get and you will have your answer.....

I already know the answer: "Ephraim" and "Manasseh" are not code words for "America" and "Britain." That's an association you're making that has no merit whatsoever.

Thanks anyway. :nono2
 
If America is in Biblical prophecy,which she is,all prophecy could not have been fulfilled on or before AD70


America and Britain in Prophecy


America and Britain in Prophecy

Well, I tried to read the link, but the material is just so much self justifying garbage that I couldn't stand it anymore. I then followed the link to the authors bio:

As Pastor General of The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack oversees the world’s most extensive biblically based websites. He attended Ambassador College, entered the Worldwide Church of God ministry in 1971 and was personally trained by Herbert W. Armstrong.

Ugh:shame
 
Why does a dispy/futurist eschatology seem to produce and promote more cults than any other view? :chin
 
Why does a dispy/futurist eschatology seem to produce and promote more cults than any other view? :chin

It's not futurist,it's written.......

Amos 8:12
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
 
It's not futurist,it's written.......

Amos 8:12
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Okay, so what does the REST of the chapter say???

{1} Thus the Lord GOD showed me, and behold, there was a basket of summer fruit. {2} He said, "What do you see, Amos?" And I said, "A basket of summer fruit." Then the LORD said to me, "The end has come for My people Israel. I will spare them no longer. {3} "The songs of the palace will turn to wailing in that day," declares the Lord GOD. "Many will be the corpses; in every place they will cast them forth in silence." Amos 8:1-3 (NASB)

{9} "It will come about in that day," declares the Lord GOD, "That I will make the sun go down at noon And make the earth dark in broad daylight. {10} "Then I will turn your festivals into mourning And all your songs into lamentation; And I will bring sackcloth on everyone's loins And baldness on every head. And I will make it like a time of mourning for an only son, And the end of it will be like a bitter day. {11} "Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord GOD, "When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. {12} "People will stagger from sea to sea And from the north even to the east; They will go to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, But they will not find it. Amos 8:9-12 (NASB)

Seen in context, the verse you provided is NOT a verse about Britain or America, but about the judgment coming on Israel (the Northern Kingdom) at the hands of the Assyrians!

His prophetic career began in 750 BCE out of the town of Tekoa, in Judah, south of Jerusalem.[1] Despite being from the southern kingdom of Judah Amos' prophetic message was aimed at the Northern Kingdom of Israel, particularly the cities of Samaria and Bethel.[2]

And while we're on the subject of false teaching, here's something else I thought you might enjoy reading about the cult leader, who started this whole "Britain is Israel" nonsense, Herbert W. Armstrong:


  • British Israelism: Armstrong taught a form of British Israelism, which is the belief that those of Western European descent, notably England (Ephraim) and the United States (Manasseh), are direct descendants of the ancient northern Kingdom of Israel. This theory is inconsistent with the findings of modern research on the genetic history of Jews.[91][92][93][94] It is commonly criticized for poor standards of research,[95][96] and general inconsistency with archeological, anthropological and linguistic research.[97][98][99][100]
But I didn't need the Wiki to tell me what I already knew and wrote earlier.

And now you know.

Wherever you go to church - if at all - I can assure you this much: you're not getting sound Biblical instruction. It shows by the sources you offer as proof of your views. :shame

For what it's worth.
 
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