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Hello. Im new to the forum so if this question has already been addressed then please let me know.

Im trying to understand the idea that innocent blood is required for sin to be forgiven. I read that in the OT God required animals to be sacrificed; in a specific ritualized manner, so man could feel what it means to be forgiven for sin. My question is why would that be important? Why not just make the OT sinners just say a prayer or something like that?

tia

XTR
 
Welcome to the board XTR :wave

The way I see it sacrifice began in the Garden. God shed the blood of an animal or animals to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness. It all boiled down to sin wrought from pride.

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

So blood was shed because of pride.
 
Lev 17:11
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
(KJV)

Under the Old Covenant, that's what God gave to make atonement for the soul.

But the Old Covenant law was to only be a pointer to the New Covenant, Jesus Christ being the perfect Sacrifice for one and all time.


1 Sam 15:22
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
(KJV)

Ps 50:8-15
8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before Me.
9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are Mine.
12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is Mine, and the fulness thereof.
13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15 And call upon Me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify Me.
(KJV)

Prov 15:8
8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is His delight.
(KJV)

Micah 6:6-8
6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
(KJV)

Isa 1:11
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
(KJV)


Kind of shows our Heavenly Father really isn't that interested in animal sacrifice, doesn't it? Notice all those above Scripture examples are from the Old Testament.
 
XTR said:
Hello. Im new to the forum so if this question has already been addressed then please let me know.

Im trying to understand the idea that innocent blood is required for sin to be forgiven. I read that in the OT God required animals to be sacrificed; in a specific ritualized manner, so man could feel what it means to be forgiven for sin. My question is why would that be important? Why not just make the OT sinners just say a prayer or something like that?

tia

XTR

As Veteran states, God is not literally "interested" in animal sacrifices or blood, per sec, but the inner conviction that leads one to sacrifice to God - especially when it includes One's entire life, as Jesus did. The OT Minor Prophets are full of such statements that recognize that God does not need blood, but desires something more. Us!

Did God require blood? No, except as training to the deeper meaning of the Law... But as St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "it was fitting". A God of Love could do nothing less. It is fitting that this God of Love would display the "no greater Love than this - to lay down one's life for one's friends".

Regards
 
Actually, search Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy all you want. You will only find sacrificial prevision for sins committed in ignorance, or by accident, and other offerings. You will NEVER find a sacrifice provided in the Law of Moses that takes care of intentional sin. (Aside what Im about to talk abut) The writer of Hebrews knew this:

Hebrews 10:1-6

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

And in verses 26-29 of Hebrews 10:

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

God's promised atonement to mankind was revealed first through Abraham in the sacrifice of the lamb provided by God in place of Isaac, wherein this is a shadow foreseeing that the son of God (Christ) would be given in place for the son of man. (Isaac)

This next part is long, but necessary to read. IT will show another direct foreshadowing of Christ in the Torah.

The day of the passover it was customary for the Romans to release one Jewish man who had been condemned. This was a way to please the Jewish people because of the Passover Torah command found in Leviticus Chapter 16.

1 And YHVH spake unto Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered before YHVH, and died;

2 And YHVH said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.

3 Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.

4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house.

7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before YHVH at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for YHVH, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which YHVH's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.

10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before YHVH, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

11 And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:

12 And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before YHVH, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the vail:

13 And he shall put the incense upon the fire before YHVH, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:

14 And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.

15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.

17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

18 And he shall go out unto the altar that is before YHVH, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.

19 And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.

20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

23 And Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall put off the linen garments, which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there:

24 And he shall wash his flesh with water in the holy place, and put on his garments, and come forth, and offer his burnt offering, and the burnt offering of the people, and make an atonement for himself, and for the people.

25 And the fat of the sin offering shall he burn upon the altar.

26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.

27 And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.

28 And he that burneth them shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp.

29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before YHVH.

31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

32 And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments:

33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.

34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as YHVH commanded Moses.



The two prisoners that were set up to be released were Jesus and a murderer named Barabus. The descision was based on the crowd. The crowd chose Barabus and finally Pilate gave in despite his personal preference and famously:

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. -Matthew 27:24


Too bad that the majority of Israel couldnt see that Jesus was their goat to be sacrificed, and that Barabus was the one released.... All ceremonial things of the Torah were signs and shadows of what was to come. So was the will of God, because had he not been the scapegoat, the atonement could not have come.
 
Hold on a minute:

Actually, search Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy all you want. You will only find sacrificial prevision for sins committed in ignorance, or by accident, and other offerings. You will NEVER find a sacrifice provided in the Law of Moses that takes care of intentional sin. (Aside what Im about to talk abut) The writer of Hebrews knew this:
This Sunday, I was drafting a post very similar to Rick's but got called away and didn't finish it. But as Rick pointed out, the first sacrifice for sin was preformed by God Himself.

The sin committed in the Garden certainly was not one of ignorance. They were warned; basically God said, You eat of this tree, you die. They ate, with full knowledge of the consequences, yet God found it in HIS 'heart' to 'cover' their sin, what manifested itself in the form of shame, for they were naked.
 
Vic C. said:
Hold on a minute:

Actually, search Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy all you want. You will only find sacrificial prevision for sins committed in ignorance, or by accident, and other offerings. You will NEVER find a sacrifice provided in the Law of Moses that takes care of intentional sin. (Aside what Im about to talk abut) The writer of Hebrews knew this:
This Sunday, I was drafting a post very similar to Rick's but got called away and didn't finish it. But as Rick pointed out, the first sacrifice for sin was preformed by God Himself.

The sin committed in the Garden certainly was not one of ignorance. They were warned; basically God said, You eat of this tree, you die. They ate, with full knowledge of the consequences, yet God found it in HIS 'heart' to 'cover' their sin, what manifested itself in the form of shame, for they were naked.

Yes, true. That was a picture of what was to come. Anyways, the sacrifice was performed by God. The context of my post was the Levitical law. The Torah of Moses made no provision for intentional sin, therefore the Law only had the power to condemn and left no space for redemption. It was a snare which all men fall thereby. The only sacrifices done for intentional sin have and always will be by God, but the Torah never offered a way to make it right.
 
The Atonement of Christ or the satisfaction of Christ took care of Two major problems that sinners had in regards to God's Holy Law, He Christ rendered a Perfect obedience to all its statues, and He endured it's punishment due for its violation for His People, those the Father had given Him, this death of Christ was the taking away of the sin and its punishment due to the elect world Jn 1:


29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

That is men and women of all ethnic groups..and all ages of world history..
 
Hello. Im new to the forum so if this question has already been addressed then please let me know.

Im trying to understand the idea that innocent blood is required for sin to be forgiven. I read that in the OT God required animals to be sacrificed; in a specific ritualized manner, so man could feel what it means to be forgiven for sin. My question is why would that be important? Why not just make the OT sinners just say a prayer or something like that?

tia

XTR
It seems to me Satan would have dominion over us as soon as we committed our first sin, had not Jesus lived a perfect life and then allowed himself to be murdered. His murder (or sacrifice) freed us from Satan’s control.
 
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