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Before I raise Cain with my kid's teacher...

handy

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I'd like some objective insight.

Steve and I've both been sick. I feel better but I can't remember when I've had a good night sleep. I say this because I think, "maybe I'm over reacting".

We have a great teacher, and our school is a good school. Yesterday, the Fish and Game Department donated all kinds of native shrubs and trees for our school yard, so they worked up a program for Earth Day and had a community planting time. Because of circumstances, neither Steve nor I were there.

Today, the kids brought home a song and I immediately got upset. I view the song as a hymn and very idolterous in nature. I don't want the kids singing it, again, period. But, as I say, I might be over-reacting.

Before I call our teacher, whom I'm quite good friends with and on very good terms with and go through making a fuss, I thought I'd see if any others take the same attitude towards the song as I do, thinking it's a pagan hymn and not appropriate for a Christian to sing.

Here's the lyrics, written by Tom Rush:

Mother Earth lives on the ocean,
Mother Earth sails on the sea,
I am blessed with her devotion,
Mother Earth provides for me.

Now I am going on a journey,
And I am praying all things end well.
While Mother Earth looks after me,
I will follow faithfully.

Green trees grow on the mountaintops.
Birds still sing while morning comes.
Though I treat her carelessly,
Mother Earth provides for me.

When the grasslands pray for water,
And the harvest needs sunlight,
These are times when I am helpless.
Mother Earth makes all things right.

Mother Earth lives on the ocean,
Mother Earth sails on the sea,
I am blessed with her devotion,
Mother Earth provides for me.

Mother Earth provides for me.
 
I would be upset if my children were forced to sing a song like this... but that's why they don't go to public schools!

I think if they replaced "mother earth" with a reference to God, the ACLU would have sent in a SWAT team to shut down the school and haul off the offenders to some death camp.... it's not fair that pagans/new age/non-believers are not held to the same standard.
 
Steve and I've both been sick. I feel better but I can't remember when I've had a good night sleep. I say this because I think, "maybe I'm over reacting".
i thought it was just Steve that was sick? maybe i read your thread wrong in "prayer requests"
in any case i hope/pray you both get better soon.

I am not a father, but if i was i would not enjoy the thought of my kids being "forced" to sing this.
around here for example in one of my classes, my teacher knowing that i am strong Christian said on purpose in a science class that anything to do with religion was not allowed, and i "had" to write on the Big bang, well i simply said "it was against my religious conviction" and he had no further rights to stop me from writing the report, which i scored 100% on . lol :D

EDIT: yup i read it wrong, lol
 
Yeah, I actually got the 'flu first and gave it to Steve. We're both feeling much better now!

I don't think the kids were 'forced' to sing the song, as much as they were simply taught it and they sang it. We had a talk with them tonight about how this song really isn't appropriate for Christians to sing, and made it a learning time for the kids. I told them if the class was to sing it any more, to just simply stand or sit quietly.

I do want to tread lightly because our school is great about having a honest to goodness Christmas program with the Nativity Story and Christmas hymns like "Joy to the World" and "Away in a Manger", not to metion an Easter party that is called the "Easter Party" not the Bunny Bop or something dumb like that.

I just think that Earth Day, which started out just as a way to raise environmental awareness (something I don't have a problem with at all) is becoming more and more an almost neo-pagan, new age religious event, and this 'hymn' seems to go along with that. I really am bothered by it, but like I said before, I didn't want to take it up with the teacher until someone, a little less personally involved, looked it over as well.
 
Handy, how old are your children?

The important thing for my children is to know that Mommy and Daddy, are their primary teachers - not the ones they see in school.

As an Anabaptist, I do not say the "pledge of allegiance". It was interesting the first time my daughter came home and said it. Then I also learned they sang songs like "God Bless the USA" before saying the pledge.

Since my children are young, we have opted to let me continue to say the pledge, knowing that as we teach them at home they will come to the same decision that we have made.

In regards to the song, it would not be a bad idea to make mention of it to the Principal or the teacher.
 
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

crea·ture
–noun

Anything created, whether animate or inanimate.
 
I wouldn't have thought it was a biggie actually. Singing a song about 'mother earth' is not the same as worshipping it.
 
2 Chr 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chr 7:15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

If God and prayer are allowed back into the schools, than Tom Rush can stay too. ;-) Until then, it's just Tom foolery. 8-)
 
I did have a talk with her about this. She said that she placed the song totally within the context of a lesson they learned regarding the fact that (as of now anyway) the earth is the only thing in the solar system that has the resouces we need to live. The song was just a one shot deal, sung as part of a special earth day lesson they had on natural resources prior to going out and planting a bunch of plants. I told her that it was OK, that I just wouldn't want the kids to sing it anymore.

I wouldn't have thought it was a biggie actually. Singing a song about 'mother earth' is not the same as worshipping it.

Hmmm, I guess I might be overly sensitive, but I find singing to be an integral part of worship. If one changed "Mother Earth" to "Jesus Christ" and the "her" to "Him", this song would be worthy of a Sunday morning worship service.
 
Humans sing about love, rainbows, birds, cities, all kinds of things and not one of them is worship. We can indeed praise God by singing but not all singing is praise. We can indeed worship God with our voices but it is not worship every time we use our voices.
 
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NO BIG DEAL? :o DON'T YOU DARE BELIEVE IT!



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Singing "about" things and emotions is one thing. However, anything that gives precedence or honor above the creator IS a demeaning act against creator God. I think that teacher gave a lame excuse. She weaseled herself out of your concern over that NEW AGE PAGAN SONG. Our resources has nothing to do with “Mother Earth†There is no such thing as a “Mother of this Earth†. Period. Creator God made all things, NOT ‘Mother Earth.

"Mother earth" IS NOT a thing to be 'Honored", Creator GOD is to be honored for giving us an earth in which abide in the material. All things material are CREATED by God. Mother earth is NOT the creator.

This is a very touchy subject, and to make light of it is like inoculating and desensitizing to that which is the TRUTH of our CREATOR GOD.

Handy, all you can do is to teach your children the difference between the way in which the secular people of this world walk in life and believe "unknowingly" some things that can lead them into confusion and troublesome consequences and the differences in the way in which Christians walk IN the TRUTH OF OUR LORD GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT OF Christ Jesus living in and through us. We walk in the HOLY TRUTH of our Creator God for reasons unknown to the secular and the "New Ager†who walks into strange religions and pagan type worshipping without any thought about what it truly is... it is deceptive thinking. WE by the grace of HIS HOLY TRUTH and obedience toward GODLY WISDOM do not walk as blindly as they do. And By the Grace of Godly knowledge and wisdom, we are given precautionary measures as to where pagan type practices and new age religions only lead us into.
It is wise to teach our children about how the lure of the "seemingly" harmless pagan practices and new age practices will take us, IF not nipped in the bud, it will only lead to confusion, troublesome consequences and a path that can take a person years away from the true focus on God's Holy Truth. WE don't call a thing HOLY for no reason. And anyone who tries to deter us from a PURE HOLY GOD is not OF the GOD we give honor and glory to. The devil will lure anyone he can into what "seems" to be “innocent funâ€Â. Make no mistake about that. It is only the wisdom of God that reveals the deceptions of the ignorant. The bible tells us to teach our children in the ways of the LORD GOD, not in the ways of pagan-isms. Of course by knowing about the whiles of such practices by way of the Lord’s warnings about them, we are given a path to flee from them, BUT IF we don’t teach our children the false-ism of them, then they are subject to falling into the deceptions of these type of false religions. Knowing how to discern the spirit IS crucial. To make light of a thing that leads astray and to say it is harmless fun is not good advice.

If you don't think it to be a big deal, then think about why are there so many people into new age thinking, why there are so many people into astrology, why there are so many people into paganism, hedonism, false religions of many different types, very strange life styles, and think about why there are so many bizarre ways of thinking in this world. No big deal? THINK AGAIN.... :-? Without “proper†knowledge and correction comes rebellion and chaos.

The only thing we can do in this world is to teach our children that what the secular sometimes call truth is NOT always in line with the same truth that Jehovah God teaches us through His WORD. God reveals the truth in what He deems to be a “HOLY†TRUTH. Seculars do not know the difference between what is deemed HOLY and what is deemed as straying from His HOLY TRUTH. Sad to say that the seculars make unholy things as if they were holy. They make light of unholy things as if no big deal.
We stay focused on HIS HOLY TRUTH for our protection, for our sanctification, and for our redemption FROM a sin filled way of life. We cling to HIS HOLY TRUTH so as to not enter into a crooked walk, one which leads into temptations ungodly. The perverted, the ungodly truth only leads to troublesome consequences. We are taught the TRUTH OF GOD for good reason. Do not allow anyone to tell you it's no big deal to sing "pagan" songs. EVER. Their lame excuse should never be allowed to calm your concern.

It is imperative that our children learn right from wrong and to know that by giving homage to anything pagan or ungodly IS a means of leading into a pathway which strays from HIS HOLY TRUTH.

That's what's wrong with far too many people today, they think it's no big deal to make light of things that are "seemingly" innocent fun. :-? It’s NOT innocent fun. I thought astrology was 'innocent fun" when I was a young teenager. It lead me into over 30 years of "innocent" wrong thinking and relying on a FALSEHOOD. I knew astrology better than many of the pros out there. And I got into many different “New Age†and old occult teachings. I also taught some, so don’t anyone ever dare to tell me there is no harm in some innocent fun. In that time, I've met many a New Ager who were into "Mother nature", or those who have no problem with seeing native American chanting as harmless, and yet they see subtle bits of wisdom the take hold of as their philosophy. Runes, Tarot, Astrology, NEW AGE thinking of all types are all considered “innocent†fun by far too many so called “Christiansâ€Â. Mother Earth is from the NEW AGE theology, it is adopted from the Native American Indian culture. No differently than are those “innocent†“pretty†fun ornaments called Dream catchers. They are pagan things that lead away from Creator God. Using talismans to get rid of bad dreams is not of God. It is relying on a “thing†to catch a bad thought. It is not relying on the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD through Christ Jesus living IN and Through you. Mother Nature is of the same type of DISTRACTION away from Creator GOD. Any type of PAGANISM is at first "seemingly" innocent and very interesting. Be very careful of what is being thrown in front of your path to observe.
If you think singing songs that give honor to "Mother Earth" are so harmless then how about those Halloween coloring pages the schools throw into the paths of our children? No big deal? And Santa Claus turns out to be a fantasy, they teach children that Santa Clause is real then they let them down when they find out he isn't real. What a load of trash we throw in the path of our children. :-? Mother Nature is NOT real, Nature is real, but there is NO such thing as a 'Mother of Nature' . Make sure you children know the slick way in which the New Age movement lures them into such "innocent" fun. Trick or treat. The secular society loves to dwell on the false-ism. Does God want us to dwell on tricks or on the treat of HIS HOLY TRUTH?

What's the lesson or value in giving homage to "Mother Earth" ? THERE IS NONE.

Fantasy is a tricky situation, especially when there is no proper guidance to intervene in the face of it. Harry Potter is a "seemingly" harmless tale. But without proper guidance a child can be lead into a path that could totally confuse them in their walk in life. They might look to witchcraft, rather than the TRUTH OF GOD. No different with these "New Age" or any other "Pagan" types practices that "seem" perfectly harmless. Eve was innocently swaying away from the warnings of God. And Adam didn't do a thing to stop her, he fell into the trap too. This "Mother Earth" thing and "New Age" type of "innocent fun" is no different. Just a little taste of it , then some more, then some more, and then some more.... until next thing you know... Your kids will be into music and “styles†of living that freaks the heck out of you. And you will wonder, why they think there is nothing wrong with it. It is astounding how a little bit of this and a little bit of that leads into a “bad†habit, or a “natural†thing to do that “seems†perfectly harmless, just some light hearted fun... and the next thing you know your kids will come home and say, “But Mom, everybody is doing it, and I’m going to do it too, when I’m 18, you can’t stop me.†All because they weren’t given “proper guidance†in the first place, to teach them to distinguish between that which is the lure of paganism and the incitements of the ungodly to that of the TRUTH which leads us to not go astray. It’s up to you.... if you want to make a big deal out of what “seemingly†appears to be just innocent fun. So is it really okay to say there is no harm in our teachers presenting such pagan/new age type songs to our children? Then why can’t songs about the one who created everything be sung in school? “Mother Nature†did NOT create the earth and the trees in it. CREATOR GOD DID. Why compromise your truth for a lame excuse from any other? Does God compromise on HIS TRUTHS? We are called "according to" His Truths, we are not called to compromise them, but are instructed to rebuke and to correct, to edify and to give glory to God the Father, not to some new age, or old mother earth.

As long as our children know the difference of how easily it is to fall into "seemingly innocent" fun, it is only THEN that they will know to flee from such temptations. Temptations aren't unpleasant lurings! They are pleasing to the eye of those who do not know the whiles of the slick serpent , the sly fox, it is the little foxes that spoil the vines.

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Handy, as an educator, I appreciate the fact that you went in and (I'm assuming) calmly spoke to the teacher expressing your concerns which were valid.
As a teacher, I believe that this is the proper protocol and the teacher gets the chance to explain themselves and an agreement can be reached.

Working in a church school system, I can't even count the times parents and other people in the church have gone complaining to the principal (or worse everybody else who can hear them) ignoring the counsel of Matthew 18 insteading of first going to the teacher to make sure the facts are straight, and if they are, then to come to an agreement.

Glad things worked out. :)
 
I spoke with her on the phone. We're actually really good friends, but you know, sometimes that makes things even harder than if we only had a 'professional' relationship. At any rate, I wouldn't yell at her. (She'd smack me down if I did! :-D )

Relic, I agree with much that you say. This turned out to be a good teaching moment for the kids. We compared this song with songs like "I love the mountains" (you know that old camp favorite Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da one). I don't have a problem with singing songs about nature, or even Santa or Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer for that matter. But, a hymn of praise and adoration is a totally different story.

I also agree, kiwimac, that not all songs are praise or worship. I just think this one is. Bottom line, and Steve and I are in total agreement on this one, if our kids are going to sing about Someone providing for them, blessing them, and looking out for them, that Someone will be God, not 'mother nature'.
 
As a Christian, if you have a tug at your heart about something like this--listen! I believe you had a very real cause for concern there. This is a slippery slope, this new age, paganistic influence on our precious children.

All music is to be worthy to God. He created it, and it is to Him we must sing--even if it's about birds, bees, baboons or blessings!
 
kiwimac said:
Humans sing about love, rainbows, birds, cities, all kinds of things and not one of them is worship. We can indeed praise God by singing but not all singing is praise. We can indeed worship God with our voices but it is not worship every time we use our voices.
The problem is that teaching songs like this teaches the children to worship the creation over the Creator. It's subtle and it undermines what Christians parents are instilling in their children. There is a lot of opposition in the world for our children, do they need more in school?

Students are suffering in the areas of math and grammar. How many times do I have to hear things like, That ain't got nothing to do with me, or, I don't got no time for that...? Can a checkout person in a store give out change without the help of the register's calculator? :o I give a checkout person $21.04 for a $16.04 purchase after they ring it up and they have no clue what to do then.

That drives me nuts. :crazyeyes:
 
I actually rather enjoyed what G.K. Chesterton had to say about "Mother Earth" in his book, "Orthodoxy".

G.K. Chesterton said:
If you want to treat a tiger reasonably, you must go back to the garden of Eden. For the obstinate reminder continued to recur: only the supernatural has taken a sane view of Nature. The essence of all pantheism, evolutionism, and modern cosmic religion is really in this proposition: that Nature is our mother. Unfortunately, if you regard Nature as a mother, you discover that she is a step-mother. The main point of Christianity was this: that Nature is not our mother: Nature is our sister. We can be proud of her beauty, since we have the same father; but she has no authority over us; we have to admire, but not to imitate. This gives to the typically Christian pleasure in this earth a strange touch of lightness that is almost frivolity. Nature was a solemn mother to the worshippers of Isis and Cybele. Nature was a solemn mother to Wordsworth or to Emerson. But Nature is not solemn to Francis of Assisi or to George Herbert. To St. Francis, Nature is a sister, and even a younger sister: a little, dancing sister, to be laughed at as well as loved.
 
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