believe in God, the one fromthe bible. or believe in God, not fromthe bible?

[xounstaer]

"gezichtsverlies" i have translated it into english and it says "vision loss"

what am i trying to say is that 7 years ago when my yourney' started i allready came up with 2 names because the name God has been cursed in 'my' opininion.

so i came up with the name 'Can' for all of outer space and whats within it..
and 'Nac' for all within the atmosphere of this earth..

now i was wondering if this is found weird, or that it's very much axplainable why i did so for me?

jesus name is good..

 

[childeye]

"gezichtsverlies" i have translated it into english and it says "vision loss"

what am i trying to say is that 7 years ago when my yourney' started i allready came up with 2 names because the name God has been cursed in 'my' opininion.

so i came up with the name 'Can' for all of outer space and whats within it..
and 'Nac' for all within the atmosphere of this earth..

now i was wondering if this is found weird, or that it's very much axplainable why i did so for me?

jesus name is good..

The word God is an all inclusive term meaning all there is. there can only be One God therefore since men cannot invent Truth, "what is" . Therefore He is.

 

[xounstaer]

ty, that was a clear answer to my question and i like it..

 

[francisdesales]

The word God is an all inclusive term meaning all there is. there can only be One God therefore since men cannot invent Truth, "what is" . Therefore He is.

That's treading awfully close to pantheism...

God does not mean "all there is"... That would mean that God is also creation, which He is not. If so, part of Himself did not exist before He created. It seems illogical to say God created Himself.

God "IS", meaning, He is existence - not that He is "what is". He refered to Himself as "I AM".

Without God, there is nothing, no existence. God keeps creation in existence, Being "before" creation was created, although there is no "before" time began.

Regards

 

[xounstaer]

i disagree. do i need to explain with argument?
i gues it's just a difference op opinion then.

what about the holy ghost, was he also created uhh

 

[francisdesales]

i disagree. do i need to explain with argument?
i gues it's just a difference op opinion then.

what about the holy ghost, was he also created uhh

God pre-existed nature. He did not create Himself, nor did part of Himself exist, then He created more of Himself after a time.

The Holy Ghost is God, so no, He wasn't created.

Regards

 

[xounstaer]

didi the holy ghost then maybe create some? or all?

without thinking of who what or which JHWH is.

 

[francisdesales]

didi the holy ghost then maybe create some? or all?

without thinking of who what or which JHWH is.

What God does, the Holy Spirit does. Anything created by God was created by the Holy Spirit.

We believe in three Persons, but there is only one Will in Divinity, one action.

Regards

 

[childeye]

That's treading awfully close to pantheism...

God does not mean "all there is"... That would mean that God is also creation, which He is not. If so, part of Himself did not exist before He created. It seems illogical to say God created Himself.

God "IS", meaning, He is existence - not that He is "what is". He refered to Himself as "I AM".

Without God, there is nothing, no existence. God keeps creation in existence, Being "before" creation was created, although there is no "before" time began.

Regards

I understand your concern. The Word of God is the power of creation and there is no creation without "Him". Note the Holy Spirit Testifies to "Him" unto us the created so as to acknowledge the creator. God is an all inclusive term as in, All powerful, All knowing, Omnipresent, and "His" attributes are seen in all things made. I believe what troubles you is I should have said "He is" to define Truth rather than "what is". I stand corrected.

 

[francisdesales]

I understand your concern. The Word of God is the power of creation and there is no creation without "Him". Note the Holy Spirit Testifies to "Him" unto us the created so as to acknowledge the creator. God is an all inclusive term as in, All powerful, All knowing, Omnipresent, and "His" attributes are seen in all things made. I believe what troubles you is I should have said "He is" to define Truth rather than "what is". I stand corrected.

Such conversations remind me of the discussions of 300 AD, where much was said about a single letter in a word that separated the understanding of God/Jesus that inevitably led to a definition that "Jesus is of the essence of God", rather than "Jesus is of a like essence of God". I was hoping that you would better define what you meant, since these can lead to misunderstandings between us.

At any rate, speaking of Who God is can never be exhausted by definitions. We know more about Who God is NOT, rather than Who God is.

Regards

 

[childeye]

Such conversations remind me of the discussions of 300 AD, where much was said about a single letter in a word that separated the understanding of God/Jesus that inevitably led to a definition that "Jesus is of the essence of God", rather than "Jesus is of a like essence of God". I was hoping that you would better define what you meant, since these can lead to misunderstandings between us.

At any rate, speaking of Who God is can never be exhausted by definitions. We know more about Who God is NOT, rather than Who God is.

Regards

I like your outlook on saying we know more about who God is not. Mighty are we in ignorance, but alas those forgiven much, love much, and those lost in the dark are the more thankful for being found. Knowing who He is, is what the Christ is all about.

The Word from God is His communique, the power of creation, and reveals God's Person, His heart and mind, spiritually speaking. Jesus is that Word made flesh. A true Image of God to replace our corrupt images of God and in doing so changes the absolute by which we morally reason. And Jesus therefore having personal knowledge of God as his absolute, is a true image of man to replace a corrupt image of man. Jesus is both of these, and reconciles us both. What have you to say to that?

 

[francisdesales]

I like your outlook on saying we know more about who God is not. Mighty are we in ignorance, but alas those forgiven much, love much, and those lost in the dark are the more thankful for being found. Knowing who He is, is what the Christ is all about.

The Word from God is His communique, the power of creation, and reveals God's Person, His heart and mind, spiritually speaking. Jesus is that Word made flesh. A true Image of God to replace our corrupt images of God and in doing so changes the absolute by which we morally reason. And Jesus therefore having personal knowledge of God as his absolute, is a true image of man to replace a corrupt image of man. Jesus is both of these, and reconciles us both. What have you to say to that?

Well done, you address the fact that Jesus reveals Who God is and reveals who man is meant to be.

Regards

 

[xounstaer]

Well done, you address the fact that Jesus reveals Who God is and reveals who man is meant to be.

Regards

that's what i said frm the first post on.
so we agree on believing in the god from jesus on???
and the god jesus brings/brought or shows us then?

 

[francisdesales]

that's what i said frm the first post on.
so we agree on believing in the god from jesus on???
and the god jesus brings/brought or shows us then?

Perhaps it is just me, but I try to be careful when discussing "GOD", so forgive me if I say that I am not sure in what I would be agreeing with in your post. I don't want to agree with something that may be superficially correct, but is not, in the deeper sense.

What do you mean by "the god from jesus on"?

Regards

 

[xounstaer]

i had typed 2 pages almost.

i said "jesus name is good"

jesus is gods right hand right?

i will post the text i first typed, but i most say i talk of all facts' not just the past..and leave myself out..

 

[xounstaer]

it's custom theologie not?

god punished the peolpe through out the OT for their sin'
then because they couldnt be saved, or so. (still correct?)
then because of what jesus did by taking away all their sin
maybe by forgiving throughout real life with
and god as we believe got to know
---------------------------------
all sin where forgiven people got to know reality and materials
and god would no longer punish since we believe jesus is (at) gods right hand
and even more is believed of jesus(still correct?) and acepted''.

a whole other way wich might be difficult to walk by, is that god has never moved a finger on earth since we all have are own. and people believed all to much, to be smarter but that people did and said that god did. it gets down to a theory of everything having an own existence.

the only real argument i have said to say so was that "jesus name is good"

then i would add; and god believes in jesus(still correct?), just like me, so i follow the example jesus did and listen to the words he spoke and suggested and came from(without old and new back up, jesus would not be, real life..)and was among.
and listen to it symbolically'' right too' ofcourse"just like jesus"..

i think all knew him and after a lill while all have (something) with him.
then there needs to be fullfilling of all'' prophecys (based upon)
then all would be truth based upon it's own, since/and it's fullfilledment with truth.

anyway i stick with jesus and what he rather had not seen happen since justice and truth where on top of his list.. and he was the one hanged on a cross(or other) while he was/bacame subject/object of it all and also accepted as so.

now if jesus words and all words are fullfilled again..that all is proven
symbolically in believe, "just like jesus" to turn out literarally.

it's like paulus says

this was sacrifised that was sacrificed a lamb and was sacrificed jesus christ was sacrificed. Now it's enough no more need to or has to be sacrificed for sin' or so it's enough.(gues he was fed up with it)

leaving humans who believe so to not be sacrifsing any more'

but enough would be for me to say i believe in a good god after all compensation that is..

i just wished( the messiah lives exists and is for real, and jesus got me to do that exact (whatever feelings/emotions it gets loose) we live forever

i was lonely and uhh hurt..and i care perfect about justice..
and i and i think even the world would not be able to carrie or bear the dead of a person who believed god so much to become his son and inheritant.
solid as a rock is that choose. with it's effect..

to me i believe in the high priest which speaks for god(with that good and rightious/not bad) and i try to actualy talk to others more now too..

hope i didnt bable to much, i even thought do youhave light enough? to believe through jesus god is good?

 

[childeye]

that's what i said frm the first post on.
so we agree on believing in the god from jesus on???
and the god jesus brings/brought or shows us then?

We believe Jesus is the True image of God, prophesied and sent to men so that they might believe, be changed and be saved.

 

[xounstaer]

jesus name is good..


ty childeye.
while i do believe in the opennes in job and rightiousness and all in genesis.
and how right is carried on allways
untill the murder of jesus ofcourse, there i lost some of god. finding him later through the same.

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