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Bind and Loosen

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what does it mean when it says peter has the power to bind and loosen?

did he start the catholic church?
 
No, on that question! Christ is the ROCK that He built His Church on. Many verses on that one. If one checked Acts 9:6 you will find Saul (Paul) in conversation with Christ's whole Godly Glory! & seemingly this was what blinded Saul. Yet, it is surely important why Christ did not Himself heal Saul, + tell him what he must do??

Note the Words of Christ in verse 6, first Saul asked Christ, what would You have him do?? Christ stated: 'Arise, and go into the city, and it [shall be told thee what THOU MUST DO.]' It was no Peter that Saul was sent to! But Christ's Church! Even note below as you will get the True Facts as seen by Matt,. 4:4 & 2 Time. 3:16 of who was given Christ Authority.
(even then it was on Conditional Obedience, for NO Church will have Christ INSIDE of it teaching error or living in OPEN sin! See Josh 7:12's last part of the verse! And rome never had Christ in it to begin with, with their almost daily documented perverted priest stuff.)


Matt. 18

[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church,let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

[18] Verily I say unto you,[[[THE CHURCH]]] Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

OK: That is not to hard to understand. The Church that is in Obedience to Christ is His Bride. They were to add to the earthly membership or to loose if need be accordingly to His above Truth.

And this was even CONDITIONAL for the Church itself, as Isa. 5, Matt. 23:38, Matt. 25:10's Virgin Fold CLOSED DOOR OF PROBATION & Rev. 2:5 WARNING along with Rev. 3:16's SPEWED OUT SICKENING 7th Church Fold. (even see verse 9 ibid.) Here we see God Himself 'Binding and Loosening' per your question the [Whole Fold Church] when that was required!

And by the way, do not miss mother rome in Rev. 17:1-5 with her daughterS! (that is why we have the Rev. 18:4 WARNING)
 
Peter didn't start the Catholic church.

We as believers in Christ have His authority to bind and loose.

Wrong. Matthew 18 cannot possibly be read to say "believers have His authority to bind and loosen". The context points to something beyond the American individual who refuses any authority over himself... Clearly, we are to "take it to the Church", authority, when a Christian will not listen. He can be cast out, excommunicated. Naturally, "we as believers" don't have the power to excommunicate another member...

You are correct that Peter didn't start the Catholic Church... Jesus did when He gave the Great Commission after He gave Peter direction to "feed My sheep".

Regards
 
Wrong. Matthew 18 cannot possibly be read to say "believers have His authority to bind and loosen". The context points to something beyond the American individual who refuses any authority over himself... Clearly, we are to "take it to the Church", authority, when a Christian will not listen. He can be cast out, excommunicated. Naturally, "we as believers" don't have the power to excommunicate another member...

You are correct that Peter didn't start the Catholic Church... Jesus did when He gave the Great Commission after He gave Peter direction to "feed My sheep".

Regards

We are a royal priesthood. We have the authority in Christ to bind and loose.

1 Peter 2:9 NLT
But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.
 
Wrong. Matthew 18 cannot possibly be read to say "believers have His authority to bind and loosen". The context points to something beyond the American individual who refuses any authority over himself... Clearly, we are to "take it to the Church", authority, when a Christian will not listen. He can be cast out, excommunicated. Naturally, "we as believers" don't have the power to excommunicate another member...

You are correct that Peter didn't start the Catholic Church... Jesus did when He gave the Great Commission after He gave Peter direction to "feed My sheep".

Regards

Not only was that the DOCUMENTION of the Godhead, but also that 'Whatsoever ye (the Obedient True Virgin Church) bind on earth [SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN]! Matt. 18:17-18

And that the Rev. 17:1-5 ones have been past/tense for years, is a Historical Prophesied as well, Fact!

--Elijah
 
We are a royal priesthood. We have the authority in Christ to bind and loose.

1 Peter 2:9 NLT
But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

Clearly, Peter is speaking of the Church as an entire entity. Not that we have authority to bind and loosen. You are ignoring the context of Mat 16 and 18.
 
Clearly, Peter is speaking of the Church as an entire entity. Not that we have authority to bind and loosen. You are ignoring the context of Mat 16 and 18.

WE ARE THE CHURCH. WE HAVE ALL THE AUTHORITY OF CHRIST GIVEN TO US. Whatever Jesus spoke to His disciples applies to His Church in the world today.
 
WE ARE THE CHURCH. WE HAVE ALL THE AUTHORITY OF CHRIST GIVEN TO US. Whatever Jesus spoke to His disciples applies to His Church in the world today.

The Bible very clearly, OT and NT, has men as "overseers" within the community. The purpose of this authority over others in the community is to help bring them to God. Paul, for example, realized he had a particular call - and a responsibility - to bring men to Christ. Others recognize this, an authority to serve the community.

You have no authority over me, nor I over you. However, we each have been given, by God, men who are indeed over us to guide us from this world to the next.

Regards
 
The Bible very clearly, OT and NT, has men as "overseers" within the community. The purpose of this authority over others in the community is to help bring them to God. Paul, for example, realized he had a particular call - and a responsibility - to bring men to Christ. Others recognize this, an authority to serve the community.

You have no authority over me, nor I over you. However, we each have been given, by God, men who are indeed over us to guide us from this world to the next.

Regards

We have the authority of Christ over sin and Satan. We have authorities over us in the churches we belong to, and many of us have some authority over others as leaders in those fellowships. God is the giver.
 
We have the authority of Christ over sin and Satan. We have authorities over us in the churches we belong to, and many of us have some authority over others as leaders in those fellowships. God is the giver.

Both are true.

But the term "binding and loosening" refers to judicial matters, those in authority over us, not about our authority over sin. We don't bind ourselves to sin, nor do we loosen ourselves from sin. To do that is equivalent to inventing our own morality, relativism. Murder is always a sin, we don't loosen ourselves from that command. We don't loosen or water down the definition of what is evil.

Regards
 
Both are true.

But the term "binding and loosening" refers to judicial matters, those in authority over us, not about our authority over sin. We don't bind ourselves to sin, nor do we loosen ourselves from sin. To do that is equivalent to inventing our own morality, relativism. Murder is always a sin, we don't loosen ourselves from that command. We don't loosen or water down the definition of what is evil.

Regards

That goes without saying, but Jesus wasn't really referring to the definition of evil or sin. I am not at all sure Jesus was referring to judicial matters.
 
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