[_ Old Earth _] breeding

[reznwerks]

The example below is not the result of forced breeding but occurred on its own while under captivity. So what do you say now about the claim breeding after there own kind?


http://www.sierrasafarizoo.com/animals/liger.htm

 

[Heidi]

The example below is not the result of forced breeding but occurred on its own while under captivity. So what do you say now about the claim breeding after there own kind?


http://www.sierrasafarizoo.com/animals/liger.htm

Lions and tigers are still cats. That still doesn't make apes able to breed with people without human manipulation. So please deal only with the issue of humans coming from apes. That is the premise that has yet to be established.

 

[armed2010]

The example below is not the result of forced breeding but occurred on its own while under captivity. So what do you say now about the claim breeding after there own kind?


http://www.sierrasafarizoo.com/animals/liger.htm

Lions and tigers are still cats. That still doesn't make apes able to breed with people without human manipulation. So please deal only with the issue of humans coming from apes. That is the premise that has yet to be established.

Humans did not come from the species ape, but we are in the family ape and came from a common ancestor that is also in the family ape. Please stop spreading this falsehood of Species A suddenly breeding Species B.

 

[pfilmtech]

Hybrids are quite possible between pretty similar species but they are not exactly a species unto themselves. Most hybrids like mules are sterile and unable to reproduce at all.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Humans did not come from the species ape, but we are in the family ape and came from a common ancestor that is also in the family ape. Please stop spreading this falsehood of Species A suddenly breeding Species B.

The Bible teaches that God created Adam and Eve from the dirt.


Therefore, we are not descendants of anything other than God. No apes or monkies or primates of any kind.


Remember


Psalm 118:8

It is better to take refuge in the LORD
than to trust in man.

 

[cubedbee]

Humans did not come from the species ape, but we are in the family ape and came from a common ancestor that is also in the family ape. Please stop spreading this falsehood of Species A suddenly breeding Species B.

The Bible teaches that God created Adam and Eve from the dirt.

Yes, but it doesn't tell us how God created them from dirt. But science does. The way God did it was he took the dirt and organised the components into a self-replicating living cell and then he allowed that cell to evolve over billions of years into Adam and Eve, into which he then breathed the breath of life into.

 

[reznwerks]

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The Bible teaches that God created Adam and Eve from the dirt.


Therefore, we are not descendants of anything other than God. No apes or monkies or primates of any kind.
Just dirt.





Psalm 118:8


than to trust in man.

 

[Heidi]

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The Bible teaches that God created Adam and Eve from the dirt.


Therefore, we are not descendants of anything other than God. No apes or monkies or primates of any kind.
Just dirt.





Psalm 118:8


than to trust in man.

In case you don't understand the birds and the bees, which if you are an evolutionist, you probably don't because they say that primates can breed humans, we all are born of a woman and a man. But you are right that we are no better than dust. That's because if you ask anyone if he is good, he will conveniently forget about all the times he has lied to his friends, parents, neighbors, cursed people on the freeway or for any reason for that matter, coveted his neighbor's houses, cars, intelligence, looks, talent, taken money when he could have given it to the poor, taken food that could have gone to the hungry, lusted after anyone or anything that aroused him and on and on. Therefore, none of us is honest enough to judge who's good. Only God is. But if you can admit these things and ask God for forgiveness, then you will have the glories of heaven forever. it will never go away.

But if you can't admit them and don't ask God for forgiveness, you will always be deceived forever. That's why Jesus says that onlly the truth shall set you free. Otherwise, Jesus will haunt you everyday of your life and throughout all of eternity. He haunts you now which is why you are obsessed with coming here and trying to prove he never existed. But you can never prove it because it's a lie. So you will be a slave to either trying to prove he's wrong about your guilt forever, or you can stop fighting the truth and surrender to it. You will then experience a peace beyond all understanding and a love that can never be taken out of your heart for all of eternity. So the choice is yours, my friend. But whatever it is, God's word never returns to us empty. People are either saved or convicted by it. Either way, you can never run away from Jesus Christ. :wink:

 

[armed2010]

Heidi, primates can breed humans because humans are primates. Primates are defined as "A mammal of the order Primates, which includes the anthropoids and prosimians, characterized by refined development of the hands and feet, a shortened snout, and a large brain."

We are not saying that all primates breed humans, because there are many different species in the order of primate, and as we all know (or atleast have been trying to tell you), species cannot interbreed. But humans are one of the species in the order of primates, therefore it isn't really true that primates don't breed humans. You are basically saying that humans don't breed humans when saying that.

 

[protos]

Heidi, primates can breed humans because humans are primates. Primates are defined as "A mammal of the order Primates, which includes the anthropoids and prosimians, characterized by refined development of the hands and feet, a shortened snout, and a large brain."

We are not saying that all primates breed humans, because there are many different species in the order of primate, and as we all know (or atleast have been trying to tell you), species cannot interbreed. But humans are one of the species in the order of primates, therefore it isn't really true that primates don't breed humans. You are basically saying that humans don't breed humans when saying that.

There's something called chromosomes. A species can only have an even number (unless it's asexual which people and apes aren't). Donkeys and horses can breed and make mules which can't breed for this very reason. Yes, different species may breed but that's due to captivity. Your argument lacks any support for the molecules to man theory. This is just natural selection.

 

[reznwerks]

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The Bible teaches that God created Adam and Eve from the dirt.


Therefore, we are not descendants of anything other than God. No apes or monkies or primates of any kind.
Just dirt.





Psalm 118:8


than to trust in man.

In case you don't understand the birds and the bees, which if you are an evolutionist, you probably don't because they say that primates can breed humans, we all are born of a woman and a man.
LOL LOL LOL No one said primates breed humans. You get a big fat "0" on that lesson.


But you are right that we are no better than dust. That's because if you ask anyone if he is good, he will conveniently forget about all the times he has lied to his friends, parents, neighbors, cursed people on the freeway or for any reason for that matter, coveted his neighbor's houses, cars, intelligence, looks, talent, taken money when he could have given it to the poor, taken food that could have gone to the hungry, lusted after anyone or anything that aroused him and on and on.
Are you getting confused? What does dirt and dust have to do with being good or bad? Do you have Santa on your mind again?

Therefore, none of us is honest enough to judge who's good. Only God is. But if you can admit these things and ask God for forgiveness, then you will have the glories of heaven forever. it will never go away.
Admit what and who cares? Where is heaven and when was it created and why? The same question is for hell?

But if you can't admit them and don't ask God for forgiveness, you will always be deceived forever. That's why Jesus says that onlly the truth shall set you free.
The "truth" will surly set you free as it has for me. That I do agree on.

Otherwise, Jesus will haunt you everyday of your life and throughout all of eternity. He haunts you now which is why you are obsessed with coming here and trying to prove he never existed.
I'm not haunted now nor was I ever haunted and I don't have to try to prove a negative. The burden is not on me.

But you can never prove it because it's a lie.

You can't prove that Santa doesn't exist either.

So you will be a slave to either trying to prove he's wrong about your guilt forever, or you can stop fighting the truth and surrender to it.
Sorry , but a slave I'm not as I can think for myself. Guilt is absent from me because I am not Christian. The water is warm and you are welcome to join me.

You will then experience a peace beyond all understanding and a love that can never be taken out of your heart for all of eternity.
Somehow when I found the truth I got that same fuzzy feeling all over.

So the choice is yours, my friend. But whatever it is, God's word never returns to us empty.
What is Gods word and can you cite the proof of your claim?

People are either saved or convicted by it. Either way, you can never run away from Jesus Christ. :wink:
You can't run from something that is not there.

 

[Heidi]

Sorry, but you're haunted by Jesus every single day or you wouldn't be here. :wink: And that's not going to go away even through all of eternity. You'll again either be convicted by him or saved by him. But again, either way, you're showing that God's words does not return to us empty. The very fact that you're here shows that he has an impact on you, my friend.

 

[armed2010]

Sorry, but you're haunted by Jesus every single day or you wouldn't be here. :wink: And that's not going to go away even through all of eternity. You'll again either be convicted by him or saved by him. But again, either way, you're showing that God's words does not return to us empty. The very fact that you're here shows that he has an impact on you, my friend.

I mostly come here as opposed to other religious message boards because Christians and their actions have a larger effect on my life and well being. They decide what medical treatments I can and cannot have, they decide who I can and cannot marry, and they decide what can and cannot be taught in schools. If I lived in a country dominated by Hindus, I would probably be at a Hindu board. But hey, don't let me stop you from reaffirming your faith and convictions. Whatever helps you believe I guess.

 

[Heidi]

Christianity has every affect on your well being! Your beliefs about it will determine if you go to heaven or hell.

Christians don't decide if you can marry a homosexual. The government does, my friend. If you read and believe documnents you would know this. But since all of your beliefs come from your imagination, I can see why you didn't know that.

You would also know that Christianity is not taught in schools. In fact, it is forbidden to be taught in schools in place of animals breeding humans.

So everything you have said is false. Do you know it's false or are you still in the dark about it? :o If you know they're false, then you're deliberately lying. if you don't know it, then you seriously need to get outside of your mind and live in the real world or you'll stay in your own fantasy world, my friend.

 

[armed2010]

You know very well what I mean Heidi. My choices of who I can marry are greatly influenced by Christian views, and what is taught in school is being challenged and subsequently degraded by Christians.

 

[Heidi]

You know very well what I mean Heidi. My choices of who I can marry are greatly influenced by Christian views, and what is taught in school is being challenged and subsequently degraded by Christians.

Why are they influenced by Christian views if you believe Christ was a fairy tale? :o If people tell me that the toothfairy says who I should marry, it wouldn't affect my beliefs in the least. But if you know he's the truth, then of course you'll want to follow what he says. Again, the choice is yours.

 

[WillyGilligan]

What armed is saying is that many of our laws and societal taboos have been shaped by the enormous influence of Christianity. This was facilitated by the Catholic Church's power which was made possible by the Roman Empire. This influence may be a sign of biblical truth, or it may lie in the same realm as Islamic influence through the Ottoman Empire. That is to say, not directly proveable and quite possibly irrelevant.

A lot of law in the United States -"blue laws"- were passed for the sole purpose of attempting to legislate morality. The government thinks that drinking, gambling and fornication are sins, then passes laws to prohibit human vice, then usually learns that repression as often as not increases the desire of people to commit vice. So, while it is accurate to say that US law prohibits homosexual marriage, it's dishonest to ignore the fact that said laws were predicated on, and are defended by, Judeo-Christian morality and very vague statements about potential societal harm.

And many people claim to know truth. A claim is easy, especially when you argue that anyone who disagrees actually "knows better" and are denying the truth.

 

[Heidi]

What armed is saying is that many of our laws and societal taboos have been shaped by the enormous influence of Christianity. This was facilitated by the Catholic Church's power which was made possible by the Roman Empire. This influence may be a sign of biblical truth, or it may lie in the same realm as Islamic influence through the Ottoman Empire. That is to say, not directly proveable and quite possibly irrelevant.

A lot of law in the United States -"blue laws"- were passed for the sole purpose of attempting to legislate morality. The government thinks that drinking, gambling and fornication are sins, then passes laws to prohibit human vice, then usually learns that repression as often as not increases the desire of people to commit vice. So, while it is accurate to say that US law prohibits homosexual marriage, it's dishonest to ignore the fact that said laws were predicated on, and are defended by, Judeo-Christian morality and very vague statements about potential societal harm.

And many people claim to know truth. A claim is easy, especially when you argue that anyone who disagrees actually "knows better" and are denying the truth.

But this is no longer the case today. Our society allows licentious sex with any sex, killing babies if one is so inclined, getting God out of our lives and basically deciding that we know better than God how to run our lives. So why do unbelievers still allow what Christians believe to affect them? :o


The answer is that all sane people know what's right and wrong deep inside their hearts but do not want to listen to God. So they try to get rid of Christ by claiming he didn't exist without proof of this. But they have no proof that he didn't exist because it is a lie that he did not. You can't prove something that isn't true. So now unbelievers are stuck. Since deep in their hearts, they know that what Jesus says is the best way to live, yet they don't want to live his way because it doesn't sound like much fun and they would have to admit the sin, they have no choice but to come to a forum day after day and year after year to try to prove him wrong. And that is why Christians still bother you even though you are free in our society to do whatever you want because Christ's words still bother you. That's called conviction, my friend. :wink:

Well sorry, but since it is the truth that he lived and he is speaking the truth, you can never get rid of him. Never. Therefore, the only way out of your pre-occupation with Christ is not to try to get rid of him, but to stop fighting the truth. Otherwise, again, he will haunt you beyond the grave because the truth can never go away. And if you don't believe that while you are alive, I can guarante you'll understand that when you die. :wink:

 

[WillyGilligan]

But this is no longer the case today. Our society allows licentious sex with any sex, killing babies if one is so inclined, getting God out of our lives and basically deciding that we know better than God how to run our lives. So why do unbelievers still allow what Christians believe to affect them?

Actually, it still is the case in much of our society. Sodomy laws are still on the books in many places, even though they are rarely enforced. We still have 'dry counties' where alcohol is strictly controlled. And lest we forget, most of our politicians publicly claim some form of religious faith, usually Christian.

And you're not born with a conscience, at least not as specific as you claim. If you were born with a conscience, then parenting would be unnecessary. Nobody would ever have to codify what's right and wrong, because you could just look at a person and say "you know what you did", and they would be suitably chastised.

 

[Heidi]

But this is no longer the case today. Our society allows licentious sex with any sex, killing babies if one is so inclined, getting God out of our lives and basically deciding that we know better than God how to run our lives. So why do unbelievers still allow what Christians believe to affect them?

Actually, it still is the case in much of our society. Sodomy laws are still on the books in many places, even though they are rarely enforced. We still have 'dry counties' where alcohol is strictly controlled. And lest we forget, most of our politicians publicly claim some form of religious faith, usually Christian.

And you're not born with a conscience, at least not as specific as you claim. If you were born with a conscience, then parenting would be unnecessary. Nobody would ever have to codify what's right and wrong, because you could just look at a person and say "you know what you did", and they would be suitably chastised.

So you're upset with Christians because you cannot engage in sodomy. Is that correct? :o is that the reason you come to this forum? :o