can we define free will as believers even?

[xounstaer]

god says yes, but i got a job and i say no no way.
god agrees, so i get neurotic i didnt mean to step over, fix it ******(sry)

sry again dont fix it. oki get apathic/freeze.

foretting all the things that lead to or lead forth...

when is a will free
and if that will is free then what does that mean?

go read a whole bunch of laws upon your plate.
hey you cant just walk away with half a my free will....argh lol

sry i just want to ask you after reading another post what you think we/you/i can define as pure free will?
i gues i'd say some like being allowed to do whatever you want, with no exclussion. the consequences will be there though if you choose a bad direct with free will.. as shown at start.

hope it's ok that i opened this.:help:D

 

[childeye]

I'm game. I say a will is free when it has the True image of God as a foundation for moral reasoning. The Truth of God as in the personal character of Who He Is. The Truth will set you free. The effects are, you will judge righteously and without hypocrisy. Your desire will be to serve others in a pure love free of vanity giving glory only to God.

 

[Former Christian]

I would say that if by free will Childeye means totally free, then I would have to go with Childeye on this one. So long as a person has the flesh within, there is only partial freedom of will. And those who give themselves over to the flesh have no freedom of will at all. Only by walking by the Holy Spirit in Christ can one exercise total freedom of will. And only in this way can the true image of God be recovered.

It is a matter of life. If one only has Adamic life then one only has partial freedom of will. But if one is in Christ, then one has eternal Divine life and one has by this life total freedom of will. Will such a one choose to fall as did Satan? Now that is the questiion.

FC

 

[childeye]

I would say that if by free will Childeye means totally free, then I would have to go with Childeye on this one. So long as a person has the flesh within, there is only partial freedom of will. And those who give themselves over to the flesh have no freedom of will at all. Only by walking by the Holy Spirit in Christ can one exercise total freedom of will. And only in this way can the true image of God be recovered.

It is a matter of life. If one only has Adamic life then one only has partial freedom of will. But if one is in Christ, then one has eternal Divine life and one has by this life total freedom of will. Will such a one choose to fall as did Satan? Now that is the questiion.

FC

Actually I'm just parroting the Christ and his apostles. Glory be to God. No one with the True knowledge of God wants to ever be away from Him. Thank you for starting this thread xounstaer.

 

[xounstaer]

let me define here the exact meaning of 'free will', of a human being that would be.

here it is simple as it can be:

to be able or allowed or in other words to have the option to do anyting you want to do or say
so to be totally freen in whatever you do or say.

there's one more angel and that is to also be allowed to at least have the will for it, when it's not possible or can be done because it's f e agaisnt some elses or multiple people's will.

can anyone say i see this wrong if u think it's not explained close enough.

so basicly also to anybody who reads this assumingly you have full free will
either in real life or in the way one replies here 2.

when there is a or more doubts in that, then again it's due to what i said e lines above or so.

clarified to me this is real.

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